more info about XBox 360 and Revolution unveiling

[Titanio]

YIKES! The amount of times this has been said now is unbelievable. It would have been surprising if Nintendo had revolution playable at E3 - there's going to be one more E3 after this before Revolution is released in the states, and THEN it'll be playable. Reggie explained all this before. Revolution will be shown at the pre-show conference to one degree or another. I imagine it'll be a specs/demos/info type show. What'd be so bad about that? PS3 will likely get the same treatment.

 

[Qroach]

um what makes you think revoloution still to be shown in spec form, or at all for that reason after what nintendo execs have said recently? I say "yikes" to those that have somehting clearly written in front of them and then see something completely different.

As it is currently revoloution will NOT be atE3.

 

[Acert93]

As it is currently revoloution will NOT be atE3.

That is not what I am reading:

There'll be a few rolling demos of games currently in development, but no console and no revolutionary controller on display.

So why the decision to stay out of the limelight? Well, it seems that Nintendo boss Satoru Iwata is worried about rivals nicking all his best ideas at this early stage. That's how revolutionary the new console is, apparently... and also the exact same line Nintendo used to avoid showing Mario 128 at a previous E3.

Basically Revolution will be officially announced (as promised last year).

They will also be showing off some footage.

But since the console probably wont launch until fall 2006 they are holding back for a number of reasons.

I think that is a far scream from, "As it is currently revoloution will NOT be atE3". I am not aware of Nintendo ever promising playable units on the floor--ever. (Who CARES what the "Nintendo leet fanboys" you so casually reference think... that is like me quoting an Xbox fanboy as some kind of evidence for anything ) Nintendo will be showing game footage, will discuss Rev (just as they did at GDC), and will most likely be showing stuff behind closed doors to developers/publishers.

Getting info to developers who will be releasing games in 2006 is much more important than hyping of geeks in 2005 and gouging their 2005 sales. They will show some clips to the public and talk about it (i.e. just as they promised) but wont show an actual unit. Just because they are not going to let you play with the Rev does not mean it wont be at E3. The people who count, developers, will get what they need. And in the end that is all that is important. Nintendo is happy to let MS and Sony cannibolize their own 2005 sales... while Xbox is killing their Jade Empire, Conker, Forza, Halo 2.5 sales with X2 Nintendo will be laughing as $100 GCN and $50 LoZ fly off the shelves.

All perspective.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Nintendo is happy to let MS and Sony cannibolize their own 2005 sales... while Xbox is killing their Jade Empire, Conker, Forza, Halo 2.5 sales with X2 Nintendo will be laughing as $100 GCN and $50 LoZ fly off the shelves.

All perspective.

Gamecube hasn't been flying in a long time on any continent, and I don't think that's going to change especially coming holiday season when more interesting things are coming out.

 

[Acert93]

Gamecube hasn't been flying in a long time on any continent, and I don't think that's going to change especially coming holiday season when more interesting things are coming out.

LoZ is not interesting?

Remember, consoles and console games continue to sell WELL into the next gen. Just because hard core gamers (i.e. the people on this forum) may move on does not mean the mainstream does.

When an average consumer can get a console for under $100 and a load of AAA titles for $20, well, cutting edge or not it is a good deal. A lot easier to swallow than $300 for a new console, $50 for a game, $30-$35 for a controller, $30 for a memory card, $20 for new cables, etc...

 

[London Geezer]

Gamecube hasn't been flying in a long time on any continent, and I don't think that's going to change especially coming holiday season when more interesting things are coming out.

LoZ is not interest?

To Nintendo gamers, yeah.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Gamecube hasn't been flying in a long time on any continent, and I don't think that's going to change especially coming holiday season when more interesting things are coming out.

LoZ is not interest?

To Nintendo gamers, yeah.

Exactly it's not going to get any new fans for Nintendo, ofcourse it's going to sell few million copies and make Nintendo lot's of money, but that's splashing water in a small bucket, compared to surfing in the ocean with the big boys.

 

[Acert93]

To Nintendo gamers, yeah.

Well, besides being a Nintendo franchise with a massive following LoZ is a game of the year canidate also. Indicating LoZ may only be of interest to Nintendo gamers is borderline imo. If it is a great game why would it not appeal to a broader demographic?

Certain quality games on all the platforms appeal to me. I am not sure why LoZ would only be of interest to Nintendo gamers unless you are talking about fanboi system advocates... and who cares what they think?

 

[DuckThor Evil]

To Nintendo gamers, yeah.

Well, besides being a Nintendo franchise with a massive following LoZ is a game of the year canidate also. Indicating LoZ may only be of interest to Nintendo gamers is borderline imo. If it is a great game why would it not appeal to a broader demographic?

Certain quality games on all the platforms appeal to me. I am not sure why LoZ would only be of interest to Nintendo gamers unless you are talking about fanboi system advocates... and who cares what they think?

I personally think that Resi 4 had much more potential to sell systems than new Zelda is going to have, LoZ is basically more of the same Nintendo stuff that everybody knows Nintendo already has. I'm sure it's going to get great reviews, but system seller? I don't think so, unless they put out a Gamecube bundle with Zelda 59$

 

[London Geezer]

To Nintendo gamers, yeah.

Well, besides being a Nintendo franchise with a massive following LoZ is a game of the year canidate also. Indicating LoZ may only be of interest to Nintendo gamers is borderline imo. If it is a great game why would it not appeal to a broader demographic?

Certain quality games on all the platforms appeal to me. I am not sure why LoZ would only be of interest to Nintendo gamers unless you are talking about fanboi system advocates... and who cares what they think?

Celda was a great game, so was Metroid, Pikmin, all the games Nintendo has made. The fact still remains, it's obvious Nintendo has failed to broaden their audience, in fact it's even smaller than it was in the N64 days. They're going backwards, and as amazing and fabulous LOZ will be, it will not make GC sell millions of units on its own.

 

[jvd]

gamecube at 75$ and loz launching will make an interest x mass this year for nintendo . Or mabye even move the system to bargian price at 50$ (thought they might not need to do that till sometime in 2006)

 

[Acert93]

Apples-to-Oranges

• RE had been a very tired franchise with a couple mediocer remakes on the Cube
• RE4 missed the holiday seasons and was released at slowest time of the year
• Before the game was released Capcom announced it would no longer be a GCN exclusive

Despite the high quality of RE4 there is little reason to see why it would sell well, let alone move systems. It is not an exclusive, has a hit or miss release history, and came out in the dead of winter. To contrast:

• Zelda titles are well known for gaming excellence,
• LoZ will be available at the biggest sales time of the year,
• LoZ looks fabulous and is considered a GotY canidate by mags,
• LoZ is a GCN exclusive, and Sony so far looks to have nothing to compare quality wise with LoZ.

I am not sure why it is so hard for hard core gamers to understand that game consoles and game sell well a few years into the next gen.

 

[Acert93]

Celda was a great game, so was Metroid, Pikmin, all the games Nintendo has made. The fact still remains, it's obvious Nintendo has failed to broaden their audience, in fact it's even smaller than it was in the N64 days. They're going backwards, and as amazing and fabulous LOZ will be, it will not make GC sell millions of units on its own.

Is not a Mature Link an effort to broaden the audiance?

So there are not a lot of Zelda fans who have been turned off by Nintendo's "kiddy image" games (e.g. WindWaker... which may look like a cartoon but plays great) who may pick up a cheap Cube just to play LoZ?

If people will pick up a $300 console at launch with no quality games why not a $100 console with a dozen AAA games for $20? Because they do

So while we are all drooling over next gen games that look great but play like crap (don't worry, I am there too) a lot of value shoppers and gamers will be picking up a ton of good games on the cheap. There is a reason it takes like 2 years for a new console to overtake CONSOLE SALES of the previous gen. The GCN had a bad fall 2004 comparatively, but that does not mean there is no hope. A cheap price and good games in 2005 can sell systems.

 

[London Geezer]

• LoZ is a GCN exclusive, and Sony so far looks to have nothing to compare quality wise with LoZ.

Do you actually think they're worried?

Sony has consistently released AAA titles for PS2 in the last few years, if anything i'd argue that Nintendo has very little to compare to all the amazing games on PS2 right now.
God of War, DMC3, GT4, Jak3, R&C3, MGS3, Tekken5 all released in the last few months....
See my point? They might not be as amazing as LOZ (arguably, and LOZ has not yet been released so we don't know), but they're more than good enough, and there's a lot of them.
LOZ is ONE game. It's their usual problem, they cannot possibly rely on ONE amazing game every few month. They need a constant flow of great games if they want to takle Sony's market share. Same for MS, Halo is ONE game.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

If people will pick up a $300 console at launch with no quality games why not a $100 console with a dozen AAA games for $20? Because they do

So while we are all drooling over next gen games that look great but play like crap (don't worry, I am there too) a lot of value shoppers and gamers will be picking up a ton of good games on the cheap. There is a reason it takes like 2 years for a new console to overtake CONSOLE SALES of the previous gen. The GCN had a bad fall 2004 comparatively, but that does not mean there is no hope. A cheap price and good games in 2005 can sell systems.

And you based that opinion on what, how do you know that games like Perfect Dark Zero or PGR3 are going to play like crap?. what the hell is that talk about 2 years. Well it's crap. Nintendo is not getting enough good games in 2005. The situation is much worse than on MS which is getting fair amount of good games.

 

[Acert93]

Yet Halo 2 sold systems

Anyhow, I never said Sony was worried (although their 1st party lineup does not have any games that are expected to sell multi-million copies that I am aware of... could be wrong). My point was that Nintendo's competition really does not have something to directly challenge LoZ. Anyhow, it is one point... even if you dismiss it all the others are valid. Comparing LoZ to RE4 is apples-to-oranges. The claim Dr. Evil made, that LoZ would not sell systems because RE4 did not, ignores a lot of relevant info.

Btw, I do agree that one game is not going to solve the install base problem. The install base issue does prevent a steady stream of software. It is dissappointing to me as a gamer. But my own feelings aside Nintendo has foundoffering two or three great selling 1st party games is more profitable than a dozen 3rd party games. As long as people want the software they make (which is of a high quality... much better than the average shovelware a certain large publisher pushes out) they will have fans. As long as they do not alienate all their fans and keep hitting their niche markets (like youth, conservative parents) they will be fine fiscially.

Not ideal in my book but seems to be working for them.

 

[London Geezer]

Is not a Mature Link an effort to broaden the audiance?

Might be an effort, but will it be effective?

So there are not a lot of Zelda fans who have been turned off by Nintendo's "kiddy image" games (e.g. WindWaker... which may look like a cartoon but plays great) who may pick up a cheap Cube just to play LoZ?

If people will pick up a $300 console at launch with no quality games why not a $100 console with a dozen AAA games for $20? Because they do

I'm not saying GC sales won't increase, i'm pretty certain GC will see a peak in sales the week Zelda gets released, but it will be marginal. It will spike, then go back to being outsold 8:1 by PS2, which doesn't have Zelda, but 20 AAA games to make up for it.

There is a reason it takes like 2 years for a new console to overtake CONSOLE SALES of the previous gen.

No it doesn't. Sure PS1 was outselling PS2 and GC and Xbox and DC put together for a while, but it was mainly because there weren't enough PS2s around, and PS2 started outselling PS1 pretty quickly, certainly before 2 years. Besides, PS1 had quite a huge library and well, it was PS1.

The GCN had a bad fall 2004 comparatively, but that does not mean there is no hope. A cheap price and good games in 2005 can sell systems.

Well then define "hope". Hope that it starts picking up sales? Sure. How much though?

 

[London Geezer]

Yet Halo 2 sold systems

Sure, how many?

 

[DuckThor Evil]

The claim Dr. Evil made, that LoZ would not sell systems because RE4 did not, ignores a lot of relevant info.

I said that RE4 had more potential to be a system seller, and I was talking about the game itself excluding the mistakes that surrounded it's launch.

edit: and by saying that Gamecubes will fly of the shelves this christmas, is imo more qualified to earn the title ignores relevant info.

 

[Kolgar]

I gotta admit that Nintendo not showing new hardware at E3 is simply a bad move PR move, and not having a press conference is even worse (unless I'm mistaken and they are).

This won't look like they are protecting themselves from the competition, it will look like they have nothing to offer. Anyway I find it funny how anyone would defend this decision after months of "revoloution will be at E3, revoloution will be at E3" screamed across the net by the Nintendo fan elite. Where teasy in this thread, he's normally ina thread like this. What say u old boy?

Agreed. The old, long-dead Nintendo fanboi in me is wretching in disgust once more. This is the exact same behavior that convinced me to finally stop waiting for Ultra 64 and get in line for a PlayStation on Day One.

Hopefully, the rumors are wrong and they'll bring something to the party.