But what is the best one? the mob 5700 or the mob 9700?
mobile Radeon 9700 available now
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Hyp-X said:Ali said:
OMG
And he writes a review?
Thank you, that made my morning!
Oh, the mob 9700...it's just it should be named a mob 9650 Ultra or some such.london-boy said:
Yes. 8)nelg said:
Yeah, good call on competing in name with Go5700. I guess it makes more sense that way.
Meh, Andrew's lline was OK. His editor just forgot to add a "-level" after every DX reference in that quote.
Anand's been less than involved in AT since at least the summer, when he published his rather horrible 5800 review w/bonus D3 benches. What with his engagement and pending graduation, I'd imagine he's less involved with the day to day at AT than usual. At least, that's the impression that I get from reading their 3D articles. Their latest 3D roundup used some pretty questionable benchmark choices, not to mention omitting an HIS IceQ card to compete in OCing with the nV cards.
BTW, how valuable is the OverDrive name, anyway?
Meh, Andrew's lline was OK. His editor just forgot to add a "-level" after every DX reference in that quote.
Anand's been less than involved in AT since at least the summer, when he published his rather horrible 5800 review w/bonus D3 benches. What with his engagement and pending graduation, I'd imagine he's less involved with the day to day at AT than usual. At least, that's the impression that I get from reading their 3D articles. Their latest 3D roundup used some pretty questionable benchmark choices, not to mention omitting an HIS IceQ card to compete in OCing with the nV cards.
BTW, how valuable is the OverDrive name, anyway?
Pete said:
Pete, OVERDRIVE was initially coined for the mobile 9600's in the first place, put as we and AT point out few (if any?) laptop vendors have implemented it - they have to qualify the parts for the nominal shipping speed in their laptop and it would be considerable further qualification to enable OVERDRIVE, and few seem to want to take that extra leap - Alienware and Voodoo are probably the best bets on that front. ATI and NVIDIA do provide a lot of options on their laptop parts that are attractive selling features but quite often never get implemented - the Sony I use with a Go5600 doesn't have any access to the Powermizer NVIDIA power software for instance.
As for OVERDRIVE on the desktop I think we've alway pointed out that this is an optional feature for the vendor - we've previously stated that the ATI 9800 XT's in Dell's XPS systems do not have it enabled, nor do ASUS. To enable the feature the board does require some circuitry to read the thermal diode, which does marginally increase board costs so for the mainstream 9600 XT its a question whether the AIB will want to enable it, especially seeing as most RV360 cores can probably clock higher than the OVERDRIVE speeds. OVERDRIVE is available as a feature to the AIB's on the XT's only currently, and its up to the AIB whether they wish to implement it.
I thought I remembered it was originally conceived, or at least introduced, for mobile products. Guess my memory's not going as fast as I'd hoped--er, feared. I was under the mistaken impression that it was a standard feature of XT products, though. Obviously my speed-reading was a bit rushed. But you'd think with GPUs getting as power-hungry and hot as they are now, thermal monitoring would be a standard feature by now. Just as with CPU's, I believe some sort of emergency throttling or shut-down may be in order to account for malfunctioning HSF's. Although I guess losing your place in a game isn't as important as losing your day's work. Maybe.
Anyway, thanks for correcting my misperceptions, Dave. Much appreciated.
BTW, any word on if ATi will use clock throttling 2D modes with their next-gen cards, like nV does with its current desktop cards? And if the throttling will extend to memory as well? Something like AMD's Cool 'n Quiet should become mandatory, IMO, at least as a "luxury" feature at the very high end.
Anyway, thanks for correcting my misperceptions, Dave. Much appreciated.
BTW, any word on if ATi will use clock throttling 2D modes with their next-gen cards, like nV does with its current desktop cards? And if the throttling will extend to memory as well? Something like AMD's Cool 'n Quiet should become mandatory, IMO, at least as a "luxury" feature at the very high end.
Pete said:
Quite honestly I'm surprised at the fuss thats being made now - the first non-ATI XT boards to be reviewed were the ASUS boards. Everyone clearly indicated that ASUS would not ship with OVERDRIVE enabled on either of their boards (well, we certianly did at the very least) - didn't that set the precident very early on? If ASUS were doing it right off bat did everyone just assume that was going to be a one off?
Well, they are still designed to operates withing certian tolerances. It still adds cost to the boards and to the chip / packaging.
No clue. ATI add the thermal diode in the mainstream chip because its also intended for the mobile market - we'll see if they decide to start adding that into the high end desktop chips as well.
Ah, but Asus ships with its own overclocking tools, no? OD doesn't offer much in the way of, well, anything, so I'm not concerned with people skipping it for a superior OC'ing solution. My WRT how valuable the OD name is was a comment on this section of the AT article:
Their reservation of XT for desktop parts is a questionable explanation as it has been revealed that only ATi and Gigabyte 9600XT's implement OD. So much for "exclusivity" and puzzled end users. I just don't like the way ATi is playing the name game. All their professed concern over customer confusion flies out the window when you're juggling as many numbers and suffixes as they are. I like their cards, but their marketers seem to be sowing confusion.
Anyway, regarding that Geriatr--er, Gericom. The pic is too small for me to decipher anything on the casing or the screen, but I assume it's a 1,000 tiny words touting the 9700 yo have "in the labs?" Sweet. Review soon, I hope.
BTW, what's that card in the background? It looks like TSOP memory in a 256-bit bus config.
WRT how valuable the OD name is was a comment on this section of the AT article:Their reservation of XT for desktop parts is a questionable explanation as it has been revealed that only ATi and Gigabyte 9600XT's implement OD. So much for "exclusivity" and puzzled end users. I just don't like the way ATi is playing the name game. All their professed concern over customer confusion flies out the window when you're juggling as many numbers and suffixes as they are. I like their cards, but their marketers seem to be sowing confusion.
Anyway, regarding that Geriatr--er, Gericom. The pic is too small for me to decipher anything on the casing or the screen, but I assume it's a 1,000 tiny words touting the 9700 yo have "in the labs?" Sweet. Review soon, I hope.
BTW, what's that card in the background? It looks like TSOP memory in a 256-bit bus config.
So do many other vendors. Sapphire even ship out their “Redline†OC util with the boards that have overdrive.
It does offer a hassle free, completely guaranteed few % performance increase. OK for those that don’t really want to risk manual OC’ing.
As said, it was always an OEM/AIB option (and Sapphire implement it as well).
Oh, no, its just some random laptop I thought I’d put in this thread about MR9700!
Not quite!
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040212/125899_1.html
Dell Inspiron XPS "Mobile Gaming Platform" - 3.4GHz P4E / EE, 128MB MR9700. Upgradeable graphics as well.
Dell Inspiron XPS "Mobile Gaming Platform" - 3.4GHz P4E / EE, 128MB MR9700. Upgradeable graphics as well.
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Sounds to me like it's R4x0 based then. If it's PCIe, and it's "not R300 based" according to Dave, that's about the only option left.
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