Mixed Information on Consoles or How I learned to loathe PR *spin off*

[Deleted member 11852]

the original xbox one was reduced under $300 before the S announcement and came bundled with multiple titles.

And that doesn't change the fact that people may have decided to wait for 'S' had they the opportunity, or indeed wait for Scorpio as BRiT is doing.

I still love the faction that claims that not knowing is better than knowing. Its hilarious

I don't know who said that, certainly not me, but I disagree. Not knowing something does introduce uncertainty but as I said in my reply to BRiT, if that unknown isn't an issue for a potential customer then it's not an issue. That said, price is probably a big deal to a lot of people. If it wasn't Microsoft wouldn't have juggled the Xbox One pricing, by virtue of the base RRP or by offering value added pack ins, so much since launch.

 

[MrFox]

I still love the faction that claims that not knowing is better than knowing. Its hilarious

Who?

 

[eastmen]

And that doesn't change the fact that people may have decided to wait for 'S' had they the opportunity, or indeed wait for Scorpio as BRiT is doing.



I don't know who said that, certainly not me, but I disagree. Not knowing something does introduce uncertainty but as I said in my reply to BRiT, if that unknown isn't an issue for a potential customer then it's not an issue. That said, price is probably a big deal to a lot of people. If it wasn't Microsoft wouldn't have juggled the Xbox One pricing, by virtue of the base RRP or by offering value added pack ins, so much since launch.

Who?

All those who keep responding how bad it is that MS announced Scorpio early instead of waiting till the last second.

 

[MrFox]

All those who keep responding how bad it is that MS announced Scorpio early instead of waiting till the last second.

 

[eastmen]

you can go and read the thread yourself. It would be easier than finding pictures to post on the forum .

 

[MrFox]

Oh no, it's extremely easy to find that owl, I have it ready just in case.

It's my strawman and wide paintbrush questioning owl.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

you can go and read the thread yourself. It would be easier than finding pictures to post on the forum .

I read the thread and I'm still at a loss so I'm calling bullshit diversion tactic.

 

[AzBat]

ps4p mentioned just prior to e3, then radio silence, no price, no specs, nothing.

I mentioned the PS2 due to it's announcement being used to create FUD for the Dreamcast. Like others have said I don't think the Neo mention prior to E3 was done to spread FUD. The Scorpio E3 announcement was definitely FUD for the PS4P. No way to dispute that, but I also believe it wasn't the only reason. Microsoft have lost a lot of it's Xbox owners & I believe the Scorpio announcement was done to keep their existing base & hopefully bring back those that left. They definitely conceded that specs & tech do matter to their base. Hopefully they also understand price matters too. Anything above $400 & I don't think will sway enough of the defectors.

For me personally the timing of announcing was nice for me, it prepared me to save for the Scorpio & skip the S. But I rethought my stance when I had the opportunity to move to the S at a greatly reduced price with a trade-in. I wouldn't have considered it otherwise. Unfortunately I wasn't able to do it due to problems with my fat XB1. I'm now looking to spending money to do an out-of-warranty repair. When I get it back I might try to sell it privately if I can get a deal on the S similar to the trade-in. I think having the S as a trade-in for the Scorpio will be a much bigger deal. I think PS owners have a similar mindset. Trade-in their existing fat PS4 for a PS4P, which they can trade-in later for the next PS.

Tommy McClain

 

[eastmen]

Hardly going to say otherwise - this is your a typical political reply. I believe Sony did the same when asked about the Pro after the Scorpio reveal.

I find it hard to believe a company selling $300 console will hit 4x the power for just 1/3 extra 1 year later (I should imagine people buying today would be a little upset) - all this 'cutting edge tech' will come at a cost.

Oh no, it's extremely easy to find that owl, I have it ready just in case.

It's my strawman and wide paintbrush questioning owl.

I read the thread and I'm still at a loss so I'm calling bullshit diversion tactic.

http://www.pearlevision.com/?cid=cp...1825426&matchtype={matchtype}&device={device}

 

[MrFox]

You quote one post from one individual which doesn't fit either of your claims, let alone establish a pattern of multiple posts, from multiple posters, as an organized faction.

All those who keep responding how bad it is that MS announced Scorpio early instead of waiting till the last second.

I still love the faction that claims that not knowing is better than knowing. Its hilarious

 

[turkey]

That I don't think they have the feature set settled yet. If 4PRO is annihilating them, I think MS would be willing cut corners, say toss the UHD drive. Right now it's probably in, to match the XBO S tit for tat.

I was thinking about the UHD drive from a storage point of view, if we assume that Microsoft are planning on forwards compatibility and we also assume physical media will still be required for the following console then UHD may be required due to game sizes, ensuring the S and Scorpio have this drive mean they can physically play games going forward.

If PS5 requires UHD disks then PS4 and Pro cannot be forwards compatible other than digital which Sony themselves claim is a small fraction of game ownership on their platform.

 

[iroboto]

I was thinking about the UHD drive from a storage point of view, if we assume that Microsoft are planning on forwards compatibility and we also assume physical media will still be required for the following console then UHD may be required due to game sizes, ensuring the S and Scorpio have this drive mean they can physically play games going forward.

If PS5 requires UHD disks then PS4 and Pro cannot be forwards compatible other than digital which Sony themselves claim is a small fraction of game ownership on their platform.

insightful, I didn't even consider this.

 

[MrFox]

I was thinking about the UHD drive from a storage point of view, if we assume that Microsoft are planning on forwards compatibility and we also assume physical media will still be required for the following console then UHD may be required due to game sizes, ensuring the S and Scorpio have this drive mean they can physically play games going forward.

If PS5 requires UHD disks then PS4 and Pro cannot be forwards compatible other than digital which Sony themselves claim is a small fraction of game ownership on their platform.

Absolutely, I talked about this in the "distribution media" thread. But there are many ways to deal with this if they'd want FC on ps5. Hybrid discs where the first two layers are standard bluray and the third 33GB is the ps5 extra assets. Multi disc depending if we get a real generation jump with at least 8 times the ps4/xb1 ram, that would be 64GB ram. No idea how that will be solved. 100GB discs for a 64GB ram machine doesn't sound right. Publishers hate multi discs, evdn if it's full install anyway.

Myself I'm really hoping for full BC and no FC for PS5, regardless of that risky gamble.

 

[Globalisateur]

I was thinking about the UHD drive from a storage point of view, if we assume that Microsoft are planning on forwards compatibility and we also assume physical media will still be required for the following console then UHD may be required due to game sizes, ensuring the S and Scorpio have this drive mean they can physically play games going forward.

If PS5 requires UHD disks then PS4 and Pro cannot be forwards compatible other than digital which Sony themselves claim is a small fraction of game ownership on their platform.

What about the fat XB1 owners then? Nobody left behind?

Sony never promised / implied in any way that PS5 games would be playable on their PS4 consoles. Seems a bit premature 3 or 4 years before the possible release of their next gen console (it's a thread about false PR promises so...)

And yeah the fact that PS4 Pro hasn't got any UHD drive is another 'feature' enabling FC between PS4 models.

 

[function]

Everyone gets left behind at some point. X1S and X1 Phat will probably get left behind at exactly the same time.

 

[turkey]

What about the fat XB1 owners then? Nobody left behind?

Sony never promised / implied in any way that PS5 games would be playable on their PS4 consoles. Seems a bit premature 3 or 4 years before the possible release of their next gen console (it's a thread about false PR promises so...)

And yeah the fact that PS4 Pro hasn't got any UHD drive is another 'feature' enabling FC between PS4 models.

Possibly wrong thread, was more a musing out loud as to why a drive inclusion or not may matter.

Fat Xbox never really had the option of the drive a bit like HDMI on the old 360, only so much they can do. It's also lacking hdr from this generation titles.

Who knows what either side will do but Sony have stated generations are still a thing and Microsoft have mumbled compatibility but after Scorpio it's very unclear.

Anyhow just thoughts on the ramifications on either having uhd or not in relation to storage not movies.

 

[mrcorbo]

Presumably you've been able to make a decision because cost, the factor that remains unknown, isn't an issue for you. I.e. you have enough disposable income to pay whatever Microsoft will charge - based on what you believe Microsoft are likely to charge for such a device. I'm also fortunate enough to be in this position.



It's not, but for people for which price is an issue, lack of price means they can't make an informed decision.

And this is why I think this is being made out to be a bigger issue than it is. Minus knowledge of the actual price, people will have their own expectations for the price or range of prices that MS might charge for Scorpio and they will use this (as Brit has) as part of their decision. The only issue these people will have is if their estimate is off by a significant amount. I don't think this product is intended to sell to people who are so price conscious that a price difference of $100 or less is going to sway their decision one way or another so for it to matter their estimate won't just have to be off, it will have to be *way* off.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

You may not think pricing is that much of an issue but clearly Microsoft do otherwise why have they twiddled with the value proposition of Xbox one through bundles and discounts so much?

 

[mrcorbo]

You may not think pricing is that much of an issue but clearly Microsoft do otherwise why have they twiddled with the value proposition of Xbox one through bundles and discounts so much?

I don't think the consumers who were incentivized by a price drop to buy an Xbox One are the same people who would be trying to decide between getting an Xbox One S or discounted XBox One now or waiting to buy Scorpio at it's launch price in over a year.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

I don't think the consumers who were incentivized by a price drop to buy an Xbox One are the same people who would be trying to decide between getting an Xbox One S or discounted XBox One now or waiting to buy Scorpio at it's launch price in over a year.

And do you think that's a few or the majority?