Ok I see it now after a closer look. Now it's even more bewildering why they didn't just integrate TV DVR functionality into it.
If the System can see it an process it, there seems to be very little reason why they can't do TV DVR.
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Ok I see it now after a closer look. Now it's even more bewildering why they didn't just integrate TV DVR functionality into it.
If the System can see it an process it, there seems to be very little reason why they can't do TV DVR.
TV DVR is not just about capturing input, you have to encode it and get it on disc.
The Video encoder will have a maximum bandwidth it can deal with and there is a significant cost to writing multiple video streams while there are other clients for the HDD.
Unless the X1 video encoder is much faster than I think, you probably can't encode multiple 1080p streams simultaneously.
This is not difficult to understand...and you really don't even need more than passthrough to achieve it. Anyone ever heard of Picture In Picture? It's been in use for decades and allows a completely separate source input to be displayed in a small window. Other uses are for multiple tuners allowing you to see different channels at the same time.
On XB1 it would be pretty easy I think to allow mixing of audio since the video is already capable of being overlaid. Also instead of always having a PiP window displayed you could "minimize" it. Not sure about "notifications" etc and if CEC is able to do that or not.
On XB1 it would be pretty easy I think to allow mixing of audio since the video is already capable of being overlaid. Also instead of always having a PiP window displayed you could "minimize" it. Not sure about "notifications" etc and if CEC is able to do that or not.
Ok, that just made it even more confusing...
I guess I'll have to see it working under real world conditions to make sure what it does, because pass-through usually means "no processing", and overlaying stuff on it is "processing".
Only the TV processes the signals. Pass through usually means no processing.
I guess I'll leave this question open until we see more demos and info. Feel free to rip my argument apart but I'm currently going to put a question mark on this matter.
Well, if the X1 can do Game DVR, I see very, very little reason why it cannot do TV DVR when the X1 isn't doing anything else like playing games.
You could issue a simple warning to the user that playing games will temporarily disable the TVDVR functions like other DVRs I've seen.
I guess my biggest issue with it is calling it HDMI passthrough when in fact they're not really doing that.
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I don't think anyone would consider that a reasonable compromise.
The whole TV DVR thing was discussed early in PS4's development, it's just way to many compromises to make the experience good.
Personally I don't understand your hang-up. In order to do what they have shown & what they've said they can do, they can't do it without doing some overlay. Whether it's "processing" or not is immaterial. There's going to be a lot opportunities for them to show off all this functionality in the next 5 months. Need just a little bit of patience. When they finally ship & don't deliver, then you can be a "Negative Nancy" all you want.
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Well, we don't know the exact technical methods they are using yet. But I will say there is precedence. Google is calling it HDMI pass-through on their Google TV devices as well. It looks like they both work similar.
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Well look at this way. I can record five shows at once while playing LotRO, along with extenders in the house streaming media center. All on an old 4gb C2Q 2.8Ghz Pc running a Ceton and OTA tuner. Barely any hiccups when taxing the system, along with being Sata3 compared to 6 I am sure for X1.
So I think it could work well if they did go that route.
I'm not reading everything. Haven't even watched the demos! Too much info at the moment and not enough time to read it all, and I'm mostly skimming through threads (looking for ne'er-do-wells) picking bits up here and there, asking questions to pick on things I don't understand. You're response to my questions has explained a good deal about how the HDMI in is handled that I didn't appreciate, for example.
I think the issue is the lack of multiple tuners. Most people expect a dvr to function in such a way that you can watch and record different things. Because the Xbox One would only be able to record the currently selected channel, they opted to not offer an option that would be extremely limited. Not to mention the saving of HD space.
Can't help but think though that they could have other hardware configurations provided to or by cable, satellite operators which could easily support that. In addition to supporting IPTV options.
I believe its because HDMI is sending an uncompressed video signal and to save it to Disk you would need to compress it or else the I/O and space requirements would be insane.
Oh, of course. I didn't get the context of recording from HDMI. Yeah, in that case DVR functionality on XB1 over HDMI makes zero sense. It'd want a tuner peripheral. Recording a few channels simultaneously would also impact drive performance. As it's designed to work with a PVR, I don't see that a tuner will ever be considered a useful addition.
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