Microsoft Xbox E3 2013 Events - Xbox: A new Generation of Games Revealed

[bkilian]

He seems to have a habit of messing up numbers.

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The T-shirt advertising continues. XD

Maybe he has a bit of dyscalculia... Glad he corrected, it confused me for a while.

 

[RancidLunchmeat]

MS's marketing has been horrific so far. Everybody involved should be fired, they need an entirely new team to come up with a unified (and correct) message and they need to probably double their projected Pre-Holiday marketing budget at this point.

Simply absurd. A much bigger deal than the impact of their actual policies, IMO.

 

[Cyan]

Maybe he has a bit of dyscalculia... Glad he corrected, it confused me for a while.

I am tempted to say that I am glad he didn't correct himself because if so people would suspect him. After watching the video a second time I think he made a genuine error.

Have you ever met the guy in person, bkilian? Just curious....

 

[bkilian]

I am tempted to say that I am glad he didn't correct himself because if so people would suspect him. After watching the video a second time I think he made a genuine error.

Have you ever met the guy in person, bkilian? Just curious....

Define "in person"? Know socially? No. Shook hands with? No. Been less than 10 feet away? Yes. Asked a question of during a team meeting? Yes.

I've met most of the folks they trot out at the reveals, since they mostly worked in the same building, and leading up to the Kinect launch, speech was in a critical path, and so drew the attention of all the execs. Phil Spencer is head of Studios, and they work out of Bellevue I think, so he wasn't around the same buildings I was as often.

 

[Cyan]

Define "in person"? Know socially? No. Shook hands with? No. Been less than 10 feet away? Yes. Asked a question of during a team meeting? Yes.

I've met most of the folks they trot out at the reveals, since they mostly worked in the same building, and leading up to the Kinect launch, speech was in a critical path, and so drew the attention of all the execs. Phil Spencer is head of Studios, and they work out of Bellevue I think, so he wasn't around the same buildings I was as often.

:smile: Thanks for being so informative and honest as usual. Well, it dawned on me sometime that you had probably met him socially, yes. Tell me more, tell me more. (Sorry, I couldn't resist).

I am surprised to know that you almost never exchanged words with him, not even careless whispers.

For all I know, Microsoft is a very large company, a fact that sometimes forces teams working on the same thing to not know what others are doing, if I understood you correctly when I asked you, but what else were you supposed to say to that considering you were under NDA...

I suppose you had a favourite VIP or CEO there, and perhaps I am stating the obvious but maybe I am feeling obtuse, although I say this because with too many departments, sections, teams, etc, I suppose there a lot of those big wigs.

Actually, it's been in my head and I am curious as to why you haven't exchanged words with the people who are the most vocal about the console's hardware.

I basically mean Phil Spencer, Major Nelson and Don Mattrick, because they were like your CEOs so to speak and I am surprised to know you didn't exchange many words with any of them -excuse me if I am wrong bkillian-.

Am I the only one who thinks that in that work environment most of the talk you had about those VIPs was mostly like "a little bird told me.... (whatever)"?

 

[Cyan]

MS's marketing has been horrific so far. Everybody involved should be fired, they need an entirely new team to come up with a unified (and correct) message and they need to probably double their projected Pre-Holiday marketing budget at this point.

Simply absurd. A much bigger deal than the impact of their actual policies, IMO.

I am holding off on giving a more precise opinion.

Anyway, I fully, 100% support their choices these days. I think that they are in the right path with them. This is the list of things I like the most:

- The possibility to share your game with 10 friends / family members. This is unique and I know for real that some companies -not into videogames- are copying this already. This is going to change the game forever, imho.

- DRM might be annoying but it will be a pirate free environment.

- Kinect bundled with every console. Major decision!! in a positive way. There are a lot of interesting possibilities for this.

- Full TV / email / cloud / chat integration and so on. HDMI In.

I truly believe it has the potential -and it's a very obvious reality not everyone is seeing- to be the most balanced and perhaps complete console of the next generation, and it's a shame they don't get the message across.

The problem is that the first time they focused too much on the TV. The second time they focused on the games but not on those new features. (a good explanation on the 10 family members feature would do wonders)

Additionally, there seems to be a miscommunication between the marketing department and some of the managers and CEOs.

Major Nelson said -take this with a grain of salt- that the company wants to muffle Mattrick because he is making them look bad. (I don't buy this rumour, but okay)

Major Nelson is very charismatic and open, so I think he should be the one to talk. Phil Spencer does fine, even if he got some numbers wrong because of nervousness or whatever, and Don Mattrick isn't good at PR 'cos he can't hide his intentions nor pretending.

 

[Cyan]

This is the rumour I was talking about. I finally found the link (thanks Wayne for the link):

http://gamingbolt.com/major-nelson-...and-how-ps4-isnt-a-threat#S1VTCM15Fk2P6I6y.99

Major Nelson Addresses DRM Concerns, Silencing Don Mattrick and How PS4 Isn’t a Threat

A Reddit user recently got in touch with Larry “Major Nelson” Hyrb, the community manager for Xbox, and obtained a wealth of information regarding the Xbox One. Despite the official Redditor’s E3 interview, which confirms a few of the details, there’s a ton of other stuff here to take into account. Take it all with a grain of salt as usual, but considering the user’s credibility (most likely a journalist, since he went to E3 and by judging by his profile here), it’s hard to discredit.

Regarding the current opinion of the Xbox One, don’t count on Microsoft changing their DRM strategy any time soon. In fact, they’ll be working to “educate” gamers about the benefits of their policies

It’s also revealed that the 24 hour check-in is a means to update your library, for when you lend games to friends. Which is funny because the with game trades limited, why would it need updating every 24 hours? No good answers there and no clear understanding as to why it inconveniences consumers.

And say goodbye to leaks, since Microsoft is also working on a system where games can only be activated on release, no matter when you buy them.

It also looks at the PS4 as “Xbox 360 version 2″ due to the lack of social and multi-tasking features. The company doesn’t even see Sony as a threat. Even better, it believes that the PS4′s graphics RAM will run hotter, besides not being as optimized as the Xbox One. Thus leading to both being evenly matched or, believe it or not, the Xbox One performing ahead.

The good news is that the company sees Don Mattrick as some one who is making them look worse, and is working to muffle him.

As for military personnel playing consoles: the defense given is that PS3/PS4 won’t be allowed on DoD networks. So the whole issue of military members switching to the PlayStation while on deployment is a non-issue. Scroll down in the comments on that thread, and you’ll find military personnel who agree – but state that they can still play offline.

Also, how would that inspired a switch to the Xbox One, since it needs to be online?

Nelson also talked about changing the messaging and marketing campaigns to support those whose friends would be jumping to PSN. He said they understood that and were going to be working to actively change the messaging and marketing campaigns. Hilariously, they don’t feel that pre-orders will determine the console war until both consoles are released.

He also pointed out that unlike the free games you get on PSN, the two free games per month on XBL are yours forever. Whereas if you cancel your PS Plus subscription, you would lose those games.

As for whether the check-in period would be removed if the user had the physical disc, Nelson stated he’d get back to us on that. Thoughts?

 

[Nesh]

Is it me or are Nelson's answers adding more to the fire? PR disaster

 

[Silent_Buddha]

Is it me or are Nelson's answers adding more to the fire? PR disaster

I am not sure if I got what that means

If a store sells a physical copy of a game before street date, you can no longer play it until the actual street date.

So if a store sells you a game before it is supposed to sell you that game it no longer matters. Everyone can only play the game when it is officially "released."

Regards,
SB

 

[XpiderMX]

If a store sells a physical copy of a game before street date, you can no longer play it until the actual street date.

So if a store sells you a game before it is supposed to sell you that game it no longer matters. Everyone can only play the game when it is officially "released."

Regards,
SB

At the end, it is good for all, I'm tired of pirates playing games months before launch.

 

[Nesh]

At the end, it is good for all, I'm tired of pirates playing games months before launch.

Why would you care? So what if they play sooner? The point is one and only. Pirates play pirated games.
The activation on release provides nothing since pirates are discouraged and prevented anyways through the DRM mechanisms
The worst offender on the 360 were people who played genuine copies before the official launch of the game because some stores sold them a few days earlier. These people were banned for doing nothing bad. They were excited gamers eager to play their game. And they were penalized. It was exciting for some gamers that they could get their games (genuine copies) sooner

 

[DuckThor Evil]

I am surprised to know that you almost never exchanged words with him, not even careless whispers.

Careless whispers... lol... You are something else I tell you.

 

[-tkf-]

I thought this was a photoshop.. then i tried it.. and it's real...

what the bing..

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Different formats have different results, and I'm not getting what you're getting. "the Xbox one is " has no suggestions on Bing. "Xbox one is..." suggests "...crap/...rubbish/...bad/...better than PS4". Playstation 4 searches are pretty nondescript.

 

[Arwin]

Different formats have different results, and I'm not getting what you're getting. "the Xbox one is " has no suggestions on Bing. "Xbox one is..." suggests "...crap/...rubbish/...bad/...better than PS4". Playstation 4 searches are pretty nondescript.

I think the Xbox one is amazing one only shows up like that in the US.

Over here I get no suggestions for Xbox One at all. Doesn't even show up after Xbox. For Google, I get 'Terrible' or 'Always listening'. If you leave off 'the' then you get 'bad', 'crap', 'a' and 'always on'. Again nothing in Bing.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I can't find a way to disable Google's regional enforcement, so I guess we only see a local flavour of search results and suggestions.

 

[-tkf-]

I think the Xbox one is amazing one only shows up like that in the US.

Over here I get no suggestions for Xbox One at all. Doesn't even show up after Xbox. For Google, I get 'Terrible' or 'Always listening'. If you leave off 'the' then you get 'bad', 'crap', 'a' and 'always on'. Again nothing in Bing.

Correct, i tried bing at default, then i picked english usa and viola. that result.. weird.

 

[XpiderMX]

Why would you care? So what if they play sooner? The point is one and only. Pirates play pirated games.

I do care

 

[MfA]

"Regarding military personnel playing consoles: PS3/PS4 isn't allowed on DoD networks so they're not worried that military members will switch to PS while on overseas deployment."

Translation : The majority of troops do have a connection but are only allowed to use that with xbox's, this will keep adoption of another console to a minimum even if the people who can't get online are shit out of luck. It's not so much an argument against the original complaint as a business argument for why it won't hurt them regardless.

 

[bkilian]

"Regarding military personnel playing consoles: PS3/PS4 isn't allowed on DoD networks so they're not worried that military members will switch to PS while on overseas deployment."

Translation : The majority of troops do have a connection but are only allowed to use that with xbox's, this will keep adoption of another console to a minimum even if the people who can't get online are shit out of luck. It's not so much an argument against the original complaint as a business argument for why it won't hurt them regardless.

Huh, I wonder why the Playstation is not allowed? Due to the "Sony Random" issue? Or some other consideration? That sounds very bizarre.