Yeah, I still have a full run of Batman/Detective comics from 1991-1997.
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Yeah, I still have a full run of Batman/Detective comics from 1991-1997.
Tommy McClain
No, we don't know how long that SpiderMan contract is for. We don't know how much Sony was willing to pay for it. And if it goes multi-platform, which new studio will take it on?
Marvel puts out a request for proposal.
Sony steps up
MS steps up
others step up.
Sony won the first contract
They can do it again for the next spider man, but at this point in time, Sony is already proven
So now who will step up?
We don't know, those decisions are made behind closed doors. TLDR; as long as there is an RFP process, it has the chance to come to other platforms.
It just comes off as a little disingenuous to claim Spider-Man doesn’t live on PlayStation in every practical sense. All it takes is for someone even loosely familiar with the industry to just read the room and realize there’s no way a Spider-Man vehicle is going to be on XBox for the next 5 to 10 years unless Microsoft buys Marvel or something.
But it hasn't and from the consumer standpoint that is all that matters.
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you mean post 2017 Spider Man on Sony?
well, there was this in 2014
I think it's a bit early to make that determination.
Okay, so you haven't seen the license (because it doesn't exist) and your just confusing a couple of one-off games with a long term contract.
You're just making that up. There's nothing in writing anywhere. If Sony had paid big bucks to secure a license, you'd think there'd a clue somewhere beyond "Sony released a game in 2018 that sold really well and yet no-one's announced another SM game since then so it MUST be that Sony secured rights and not that other studios are already busy with other titles and no-one's approached Marvel yet."
You're reading the room to read what you want to read, like reading tea-leaves. You should stick to facts. Present the licensing deal, or it didn't happen. Hell, present even a link to a story from some reputable source, 'someone even loosely related to the industry,' even hinting at as much. The real, hard evidence we have is Marvel approached Sony to make A game, not even Spider Man, so it's got nothing to do with the movies, and Insomniac, not Sony, chose SM. Those are the facts. Until there's something more substantial than, "I've got a feeling," that's what everyone should be accepting.
1) For the foreseeable future, Spider-Man games will only be on PlayStation.
2) There’s a good chance there will be a Spider-Man game on XBox or Nintendo Switch in the foreseeable future.
If you’re honest and consistent you would agree with one of those statements, not both.
Just because something is technically possible does not mean it is likely. You would be a fool to be anticipating a Spider-Man game on XBox right now.
There's a very good chance of there being a cross-platform Spider Man game in the next five years. Marvel will see the sales of SM on PS4 and not be oblivious to the greater earnings potential of a similar title selling to a...4x larger audience.
Miles Morales is not Spider Man 2 right?
So... hmm.
We will have to see, I'm not saying I don't understand your POV. But things change. Anything can change. The price of next gen consoles may slow down the rate of adoption.
Im not saying there’s a binding deal (though there may be, you can’t prove a negative). I’m saying it doesn’t make sense for Marvel to license out a second big Spider-Man game, or change ship from Insomniac given the financial and critical success of what they’ve created.
The situation is obvious to anyone. Who would expect Marvel to do anything but keep the focus on Insomniac Spider-Man games as long as they can? Likewise, why would Sony or Insomniac walk away from this very successful endeavor. It would be surprising to any honest observer.
The real-world effect of this circumstance is that Spider-Man is a PlayStation franchise for some years ahead.
Perhaps a bigger audience, but what a huge risk nixing the creative direction and talent that brought you the most successful super hero video game of all time. Any sane business would stick to that rather than rebooting to get on XBox. The best you’ll get is maybe it goes to PC 2 years later.
well... depends on where next generation is headed. If adoption rates are abysmally low, or cloud gaming picks up for whatever reason, then suddenly Marvel's priorities may change.
They will look at Mile Morales and see how well it does. Because the challenge here is that it's linked to PS5. Not many people are going to get the chance to play it. Not unless they expect their user base to be 20 million large by the time the title releases, Miles Morales is has a extremely low probability to ever approach SpiderMan's number in life time sales.
Depending on how any contract is written (Marvel getting a fee on a per game sold basis vs a lump sum), if the next generation is more even in sales/ console install base, Marvel could very well insist on it being released for competing consoles. That is, of course, assuming the deal was for a single game only. Marvel is going to want it on as many platforms as possible.
Doesn't mean it will happen, but it would be in Marvel's interest to make this a requirement.
Doesn't mean it will happen, but it would be in Marvel's interest to make this a requirement.
Marvel would have to find a studio that they believe can produce solid results for all platforms.
That's sort of the challenge here.
Insomniac was an obvious choice to do it, until they were bought.
Now.... looking at the play-field, I'm not sure who else would be willing to step up.
None of which says Sony doesn’t have exclusive license to Spider-Man. All it says is that Insomniac was allowed by Sony to do a Marvel game, and that they were told they could pick
You know, just like the Iron Man game got made, which is exclusive?
I believe it would be stupid from microsoft to try to get spiderman at this point. Games get old after few iterations. Spiderman in 3-5 years time is old news and something else is hot. It would take that 3-5 years and 100million dollars to make competitive spiderman game from scratch.
We have seen gamer fatigue become issue when same game franchise is recycled again and again. Being a follower doesn't get you to pole position. Better to craft your own good future than copy competition. There is so many good, interesting and widely known superheros available. Spiderman is only one of them.
If horizon pc version does well it wouldn't be at all surprising to see spiderman come to pc just before spiderman2(not miles moraes) hits ps5.
We have seen gamer fatigue become issue when same game franchise is recycled again and again. Being a follower doesn't get you to pole position. Better to craft your own good future than copy competition. There is so many good, interesting and widely known superheros available. Spiderman is only one of them.
If horizon pc version does well it wouldn't be at all surprising to see spiderman come to pc just before spiderman2(not miles moraes) hits ps5.
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So that's a completely different thing to securing a license.
What your saying is Insomniac did such a good job, Marvel won't want to move the franchise. That has nothing to do with Sony's business manoeuvres then. In Marvel want to keep SM PS exclusives, that's on them. But that's a completely different proposition to a console company buying rights to a franchise to force its exclusivity to their platform which is what you've been implying Sony have done.
I point to you previous statement:
In the absences of a real licensing agreement, you're saying if MS offered a billion dollars or something ludicrous for an exclusive, Marvel would decline them? So yeah, the only thing standing in the way of another SM title is Marvel's business savvy, not Sony's.
Completely disagree. It's not a complicated formula. Get a good writer (Marvel can provide one), add some good rope mechanics, and make it cross-platform on UE5. Job done.
I point you to the Spider Man movie tie on from 2002. That was a game based on the Sony owned film, made by Treyarch, published by Activision, that released on GameCube, Windows, PS2 and Xbox. It did well all round. A better game sold wider is going to make far more money. There's nothing stopping this from happening. And most importantly, there's no official deal stopping this from happening. If Marvel are too daft/cautious to take their most valuable IP onto the widest audience, more fool them. That's nothing to do with Sony and it's not Sony's fault if no SM games come out on XB in the next 5-10 years.
Exactly, which is why I said horse trading it with Batman, just like Baseball (which was much more complicated. MLB wanted more money than the PlayStation base could provide, and Sony wanted that Sweet Minecraft money flowing again)
Bats for Bugs seems a good trade to me.
If you lock in the first 90 days, you’ve milked that exclusive for virtually all its worth in terms of expanding the userbase.
No it says Marvel approaches Sony to make a Marvel game. That doesn't even hint at a licensing deal. Sure there's no concrete proof that there isn't a deal, but there's no concrete proof that there is, and there's plenty of logical suggestion that there isn't. eg. If Sony signed a licensing deal with Marvel, why is there no PR announcement? If Sony secured the rights to SM, why are we told that Marvel approached Sony approached Insomniac and it was Insomniac that chose Spider Man? In the light of the evidence that does exist, it's far more likely there's no such contract beyond what we've been told about.
If you want to prove otherwise, present something, anything, pointing to a licensing deal. Find us a PR statement. Find a Gamasutra article about some rumours. Anything at all. given a choice between no evidence and some convincing evidence, I'm going to side with the latter every single time.
Hmm yea. That was also the height of Marvel at the time, with bringing Spider-Man into the fold with the greater MCU.
With this new 'wave' of movies coming post Avengers, there might be other characters that Marvel wants to explore to promote their next wave.
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