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Microsoft rumored to be buying...... [2020-04, 2020-07, 2020-11]
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ChuckeRearmed
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Sony fans want to play games only on Playstation. Just like any fanboys (except maybe Xbox because after the last generation they put up with the idea of PC releases). Playstation will eventually become Luna-like or GamePass like service. Sooner or later.
It is just like the trailer from Avengers basically.
In time, you will learn what it's like to be mobile.
You can dread it, run from it, mobile-grade monetization still arrives
The endgame is basically mobile-PC hybrid. In fact we already have such machines, it is just the performance hasn't caught up with PC yet. But it will happen eventually and mobile-grade equipment will be able to run VR just fine. In fact even COVID-G towers are more Internet now rather than mobile network for talking or exchanging messages.
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Isn't this the mantra all the time. In 10 years mobile will be just as powerful... but yea as powerful as 10 year old pc hardware because in 10 years the pc will be using the same process with the same chip designs and ram except they can use 1000w of power and a mobile device can not.
Johnny Awesome
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I don't think some people understand what I meant. Sony pays people money and develops exclusive IPs for their platform. MS buys developers and publishers with existing exclusive IPs for their platform. Neither is a virtuous endeavor. MS is trading money for time, much like Sony did back in the Saturn days by locking down exclusives with money so they could compete with established players like Nintendo and Sega. The stakes are just higher now.
Sony purchased Psygnosis in 1993. They owned them when Wipeout came out on PS1 (1995?). Wipeout has always been a Sony IP, even when Psygnosis released it on other platform. Also, Sony owns Q*bert, although it's rights are not held by the Playstation division, but the movie or music divisions. I think Columbia owned Q*bert because they bought the original owners and then they were swallowed by Sony. Not that Q*bert gets games now, but even after they were owned by Sony, they made multiplatform Q*bert titles. I think that's a right hand/left hand situation, though, because Sony wasn't developing those games, they licensed out the Q*bert IP to another developer.
The only IP I can think of off the top of my head that Sony purchased and ultimately released as an exclusive is Drive Club. The IP was trademarked in the early/mid 2000s but they never made a game until the PS4. They did purchase Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, or more accurately Sigil Games, the developer, and then published the title for PC, which was going to be published by Microsoft. Not real sure about the timeline there, and it probably doesn't count anyway because it wasn't on Playstation.
I think there is a stark difference in philosophy between Microsoft's and Sony. MS has been less concerned with owning the IP without the teams that made them, Sony has been more concerned with owning the IP. If you look back all the way to the PS1, you'll find stuff like Hot Shots Golf, or Cool Borders, that were developed by other studios, but Sony Owned the IP. Hot Shots and Mario Golf are made by the same company! Sony continued making Hot Shots long after Camelot had left the franchise. Same thing with stuff like Sly Cooper and Uncharted. If those studio acquisitions never happened there is little doubt that Sony would have moved development on to another studio. Conversely, you see Microsoft doing things like licensing out Battletech and Shadowrun with no regard to exclusivity. Shadowrun isn't on Playstation, but it isn't on Xbox either. And it isn't even locked to the Windows Store or anything. I can't see Sony ever doing something like that with one of their IPs. About the closest thing I can think of is the Lemmings mobile game. Oh! There's one! They bought Psygnosis and now they own Lemmings and it was exclusive for a bit!
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It's not a popular view, but this is how I feel about gamers reacting to not being able to play things. This is very much an entitlement complex. We saw it with the Tomb Raider game that was exclusive to Xbox for a year and with Sony's Spider-Man game. Now we're seeing it again.
Nobody is entitled to play anything. Sometimes you have access to things, then you don't. Life is full of examples of this and games are not immune.
cheapchips
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Comparing relatively unimportant differences is the root of middle class unhappiness. Why would gaming be any different?
or you know sony paid for tomb raider 2 exclusivity ? Paid for resident evil exclusivity.
MS used to pay for new IP but look at mass effect and gears almost went multiplatform.
MS will buy the content generators they want because they can. Just like sony used to be the big fish.
The only time I get upset about things being held back is when the game is released but some content is cut from other platforms
Like avengers and the spiderman character.
I think people would be pissed if MS released starfield on ps5 but then developed 10s of hours of new content that was just xbox exclusive .
If a game releases on a platform it should be feature complete on the platform. Aside from that if a company buys another company and they make enough content thats important to you a $300-$500 system is not a crazy spend
I'm the opposite. I don't mind that kind of exclusivity at all, as long as the main game itself was released at the same time. Then the exclusive free content got released to other platform for free after a year.
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Would you be pissed if Microsoft did this?
With IO working on bond games I wonder If they are the studio that apparently Microsoft already bought? The guys on the xboxera podcast say they have heard of two more acquisitions coming, both smaller than the Bethesda deal, with one that's either already complete, or complete in all but name. The reason I was thinking this was the teaser for the 007 project IO interactive put out didn't tell us anything, no release data, no info at all really, no platforms even, might be a way for IO to put the screws to Microsoft and increase their price with how positively them developing a bond game has been recieved?
Not eastmen obviously, but I would be disappointed, especially if it was the same price on both platforms, Microsoft has, at least in public perception been trying to be the good guy with things like cross platform play and the like, so to release two versions of a game to different platforms with differing amounts of content seems offbrand for them, and a bit sleezy imo.
Despite what the xbox CFO guy said I still don't think the Bethesda stuff will be multiplatform, the only one I can see going to switch through streaming or maybe a native port is tango gameworks games, just because I could see a Japanese dev not being happy developing games for a console that has such a low market share in Japan, and I could see Phil and the gang bending over backwards to keep them happy. I suppose it depends how popular pc gaming is in japan though, is it popular?
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I'm specifically asking eastmen.
ChuckeRearmed
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I would probably be annoyed by that, because why should MS waste its time porting the games to PS, while PS doesn't bother to release games on PC for most of the time.
MS is always chasing after the general public instead of grooming the cult around it, but the general public is volatile and can easily abandon any platform as they are not attached to it. Apple, Sony, Nintendo all have their own dedicated fanbase that falls in line with any product they have, they get a lot of leeway due to that.
I would be ok if the games came via GamePass though. But not as a direct port.
MS is always chasing after the general public instead of grooming the cult around it, but the general public is volatile and can easily abandon any platform as they are not attached to it. Apple, Sony, Nintendo all have their own dedicated fanbase that falls in line with any product they have, they get a lot of leeway due to that.
I would be ok if the games came via GamePass though. But not as a direct port.
Johnny Awesome
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I'm asking eastman: How do you feel about being challenged specifically?
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Asking someone's opinion is challenging them? Come on... I've not drawn a chalk circle on the ground and thrown two swords down. It's a simple question.I'm asking eastman: How do you feel about being challenged specifically?
would I be pissed ? No but I would think it was wrong. Just like i thought it was wrong with avengers
It seems part of this discussion overlaps with the thread on Third Party Exclusives @ https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/third-party-software-exclusivity-practices.61928/
I won't repeat my thoughts about it here, other than to say my stand still applies and hasn't changed.
I won't repeat my thoughts about it here, other than to say my stand still applies and hasn't changed.
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