Matrix Revolution!
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Clashman said:
What's so bad about all those? Maybe they're not Shakespeare, but I don't see how anyone could consider those to be so bad that they ruin the movie. The first one reinforces Trinity & Neo's love, necessary for the audience since neither character's personality is openly expressive about it. The second is another take on the causality argument that all the major Matrix programs make. And the third, I assume you're referring to the "hiya fellas" part, which is legit, but the agents at least are going through a machine decision-making process, as demonstrated by their "trialogue". If you were script writer, what would you have written instead?
If bad dialog concerns you, just watch Star Wars: Episode 2 just prior to seeing the new Matrix movie.
You'll be so desensitised, you'll not notice any foibles in the Matrix.
And Kill Bill to handle the overly long kung fu scenes.
You'll be so desensitised, you'll not notice any foibles in the Matrix.
And Kill Bill to handle the overly long kung fu scenes.
I really hope they wont go for that extra layer shit, because that way lies madness ... the recursion of simulated realities plot is like recursive timetravel plots, only good for short stories IMO.
Personally I would appreciate if the battery shit was misdirection (although the leap of faith required that the inhabitants of Zion could be misdirected by something so ludicrous is a bit too much ... but what is done is done). IMO the most acceptable, although rather obvious, twist would be for the human brains being used as the computer in which the AIs now live ... the need for the simulation and a messianic figure with his disciples to keep the simulation stable is a reasonable premise. His ability to influence the bots IRL could be explained by them never really having been fully plugged out, since their escape was planned they might still be connected by wireless.
This still requires lots of leaps of faith, but adding an extra layer of simulation would just piss me off ... the point has been made in the first movie, no need to belabor it. It is not that special a revelation.
Personally I would appreciate if the battery shit was misdirection (although the leap of faith required that the inhabitants of Zion could be misdirected by something so ludicrous is a bit too much ... but what is done is done). IMO the most acceptable, although rather obvious, twist would be for the human brains being used as the computer in which the AIs now live ... the need for the simulation and a messianic figure with his disciples to keep the simulation stable is a reasonable premise. His ability to influence the bots IRL could be explained by them never really having been fully plugged out, since their escape was planned they might still be connected by wireless.
This still requires lots of leaps of faith, but adding an extra layer of simulation would just piss me off ... the point has been made in the first movie, no need to belabor it. It is not that special a revelation.
I did, but I have a memory as a sieve. I know I read the first book ... and from the description I might have read Endymion. Is that the one where the religious guys have a cross shaped parasite on their chest they "stole" from some reverted cult of humans which will let their bodies be regenerated? (Which they need because their mode of travel destroys their bodies each time.)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0553283685/ref=cm_bg_f_1/103-5080765-4611822?v=glance
I liked "The Fall of Hyperion"
edited: I did not read Endymion yet.
I liked "The Fall of Hyperion"
edited: I did not read Endymion yet.
fbg1 said:
Agreed. I CHEERED when Ep2 ended, because if it'd gone on one more minute it would've been the first movie I'd ever stopped watching out of pure disgust.
You know, it almost seems to me like Clashman is just trying to troll, because for one his three blocks of 'awful dialogue' had no problems at all, and for another he's really been stretching his arguments pretty thin.
Oh, and btw:
fbg1 said:
Bingo. Watch the first Matrix again. They even made a semi-big deal about them pulling Neo out despite him being well over the acceptible age for removal.
And one more thing:
Bogotron said:
They aren't trying to "wipe out" Zion, just kill everyone in it. Think back to how the "One" system operates and what occurrs every time a "One" appears.
Added: Oh, and wrt those last two quotes: So much for you people 'getting it'... I only saw Reloaded once and the first Matrix twice.
It's alarming how many people say the Matrix is a bad movie because the science doesn't make sense.
Yeah, like a starship that magically bends the laws of space and time does. Or the idea of hyperspace.
It doesn't have to make sense--christ. It's Comic-Book-Guy-itis. The science doesn't matter--the Matrix series is not science fiction per se--it's basically trying to make a film out of various philosophical viewpoints.
And THAT is why you have to watch it repeatedly. Because no, you will not get it the first time you watch it.
Yeah, like a starship that magically bends the laws of space and time does. Or the idea of hyperspace.
It doesn't have to make sense--christ. It's Comic-Book-Guy-itis. The science doesn't matter--the Matrix series is not science fiction per se--it's basically trying to make a film out of various philosophical viewpoints.
And THAT is why you have to watch it repeatedly. Because no, you will not get it the first time you watch it.
Bogotron said:
Because if they had uranium they could build a nuclear reactor and would not need human batteries, of course
. Personally I find that if I do not “check my brain at the door†I would not enjoy a great deal of movies nowadays. It also helps explain why Star Ship Troopers is one of my favs.Now I can answer it properly. Endymion is a sequel of the HyperionMfA said:
If I understand this review correctlly the sequence is http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue52/excess.html
Hyperion (1989)
The Fall of Hyperion (1990)
Endymion (1995)
The Rise of Endymion (1997)
Could classic Sci Fi books become good movies?
pascal said:
hell yeah!!! of course!!! all you need is a director who doesn't go all Spielberg on us (although i must say he has done some very good movies) and as long as he doesnt go all LOST-IN-SPACE on us. there are MANY wonderful sci-fi books out there that would make really good movies.
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london-boy said:
I do wish that Hollywood would stop trying to convert old TV shows into movies, and start looking at the wealth of material out there in the form of SF Books.
Unfortunatly, some of the very best SF books would make very poor films, especially after being mangled by Hollywood down to a 90 minute flick.
Look at a classic like "Ringworld". That actually has a story that would be very suited to a 3 hour film, but could easily be turned into a travesty.
I think novellas or even short stories are better suited to adaption than novels.
I thought Bladerunner wasnt that bad an attempt, it's an almost complete rewrite of course ... but they still managed to take away a lot of the good concepts from the original story, and that the original parts didnt suck helped too.
Of course that kind of adaption can go horribly wrong too, as examplified by Freejack (it has a guy who is in a car accident and is catapulted to the future ... there is a random black guy ... there is a spirit switchboard ... that is the extent of the similarity with the original story, the fact that all the original parts of the movie absolutely suck doesnt help). The guy who adapted Immortality Inc into that travesty (or whoever forced him to adapt it like that) should be banned from ever working on a movie again.
I thought Bladerunner wasnt that bad an attempt, it's an almost complete rewrite of course ... but they still managed to take away a lot of the good concepts from the original story, and that the original parts didnt suck helped too.
Of course that kind of adaption can go horribly wrong too, as examplified by Freejack (it has a guy who is in a car accident and is catapulted to the future ... there is a random black guy ... there is a spirit switchboard ... that is the extent of the similarity with the original story, the fact that all the original parts of the movie absolutely suck doesnt help). The guy who adapted Immortality Inc into that travesty (or whoever forced him to adapt it like that) should be banned from ever working on a movie again.
