LONG Load Times. The Future of PS3 Games? - IGN

[one]

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2005/jul/1168294.htm

Let me guess, this has something to do with load times on PS3? Please leave your war at the door.

Huh? What war are you fighting? It basically means more investment into Blu-ray and BD-ROM drives is justified.

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20041005/ceatec02.htm

BTW, last year Pioneer showed a Blu-ray burner for PC at CEATEC 2004, which can write BD-R/BD-R RE @ x2, DVD+/-R @ x8, DVD-RW @ x4, DVD-R DL @ 2.4, and can read BD-ROM @ x2. Its plan then was it'd be released in early 2005 as soon as the BD-ROM standard is ratified, so a x2 BD-ROM hardware would be ready now.

At what price? Doesn't mean much without pricing does it?

Pricing is relative - but the fact that manufacturers are ready to start from x2 BD drives suggests that x2 drives will be the cheapest and the most prevailing in the market for a while. Some in this thread argue PS3 may have x1 drive, but it's unlikely IMO.

 

[PC-Engine]

It basically means more investment into Blu-ray and BD-ROM drives is justified.

Please stop...

You know that post has nothing to do with the thread topic. Fox's announcement has NOTHING to do with faster BR drives in PS3.

Some in this thread argue PS3 may have x1 drive, but it's unlikely IMO.

Most people are saying 2X BR in PS3 so you're arguing with a strawman.

 

[one]

It basically means more investment into Blu-ray and BD-ROM drives is justified.

Please stop...

You know that post has nothing to do with the thread topic. Fox's announcement has NOTHING to do with faster BR drives in PS3.

Why nothing, nil, zero? Mass adaptation and mass production are the key for consumer electronics.

Some in this thread argue PS3 may have x1 drive, but it's unlikely IMO.

Most people are saying 2X BR in PS3 so you're arguing with a strawman.

Please don't call him 'strawman'...

http://www.digitimes.com/Background...2005/06/03&pages=84&seq=102&Cat=1

2x planned for mass producing in first half of 2006. Considering PS3 should enter mass production by Jan '06, 1x ?

I was thinking of another pov on this topic, arent the lasers for Blu-Ray and DVD separate ? If so, PS3 shouldnt have a problem reading 12x DVDs, it will just be a name sake Blu-Ray device. I dont have an idea about the minimum spec required for High Def movies planned for the next couple of years.

 

[PC-Engine]

Why nothing, nil, zero? Mass adaptation and mass production are the key for consumer electronics.

Looks like you want the thread locked...

It was simply a sorry attempt at injecting a studio announcement into a PS3 BR drive speed topic.

Please don't call him 'strawman'...

He didn't say it couldn't use a 2x drive. He's just questioning it. Regardless your post without prices don't mean much in relation to PS3. Who cares if I can buy a hypothetical 2x BR drive today if it cost $400? How does this show that it's likely to be in PS3? It may or may not. Having it available in a press release without actual hardware or actual prices means NOTHING in relation to PS3.

 

[MechanizedDeath]

Recordable drives will cost more. Their speeds and prices should not be reflective of the speed and cost of the PS3 drive. There are also early-adopter fees tacked on there to help manufacturers recoup dev costs early. But like the PSP packing in the world's first UMD drive for $200, having one of the first drives on the market doesn't mean the price has to be high. The functionality (or lack thereof) of the ROM drive in the PS3 will help differentiate it from the other BR player/recorders that are going to be sold. Until HDTV penetration increases, I don't see there being an abundance of ROM drives available. So the recordability must be the key, which will help establish the $600+ recorder market from the sub-$350(?) PS3 player. All IMO.

BTW, this is not a thread about the next-gen format war, so I don't see how that studio article is instigating a battle, unless you want to force the issue. I also don't see how it furthers the topic either, so I guess it's a wash. Let it go. PEACE.

 

[PC-Engine]

UMD doesn't use blue laser...if it did PSP wouldn't be sold for $200...

 

[mckmas8808]

Regardless your post without prices don't mean much in relation to PS3. Who cares if I can buy a hypothetical 2x BR drive today if it cost $400? How does this show that it's likely to be in PS3? It may or may not. Having it available in a press release without actual hardware or actual prices means NOTHING in relation to PS3.

Come on PC think about what you are saying. EVERY Blu-ray player will cost at least double the price of the PS3, so what's your point. 2X Blu-ray players may come out next year costing $800 dollars, that doesn't mean that the PS3 will not have a 2X drive in it.

What one was trying to get across is this. If someone made a 2X read-only drive that also does recording in 2004, then that means that a 4X drive could be possible. And why not we are talking about a 2 year differnce and the drive will not have any recording capabilities. You take away the recording tech out of the Blu-ray drive and that should drop the price some to help include a 4X drive.

 

[PC-Engine]

Come on PC think about what you are saying. EVERY Blu-ray player will cost at least double the price of the PS3, so what's your point. 2X Blu-ray players may come out next year costing $800 dollars, that doesn't mean that the PS3 will not have a 2X drive in it.

You're confused.

What one was trying to get across is this. If someone made a 2X read-only drive that also does recording in 2004, then that means that a 4X drive could be possible. And why not we are talking about a 2 year differnce and the drive will not have any recording capabilities. You take away the recording tech out of the Blu-ray drive and that should drop the price some to help include a 4X drive.

Exactly but the only drive we have is a 2x drive and we don't even know how much the drive cost because nobody is selling the drive outside of full blown recorders. BTW there is no 4x drive so please leave it out of the discussion.

 

[Bjorn]

Exactly but the only drive we have is a 2x drive and we don't even know how much the drive cost because nobody is selling the drive outside of full blown recorders. BTW there is no 4x drive so please leave it out of the discussion.

So speculation is not allowed on these forums then ?

Perhaps we should stop talk about the both new consoles then also, cause none of them exist yet.

 

[PC-Engine]

Exactly but the only drive we have is a 2x drive and we don't even know how much the drive cost because nobody is selling the drive outside of full blown recorders. BTW there is no 4x drive so please leave it out of the discussion.

So speculation is not allowed on these forums then ?

Perhaps we should stop talk about the both new consoles then also, cause none of them exist yet.

Everyone is speculating, but there's a difference between speculating based on history and speculating based on wishful thinking.

 

[Bjorn]

Everyone is speculating, but there's a difference between speculating based on history and speculating based on wishful thinking.

All that was mentioned was that 2X drives have been available since last year and that 4X drives shouldn't be that far off. And then the possibility of a 4X drive in the PS3. I don't really see that as completely out of reach or any wishful thinking. Though i'm thinking that we won't see more then 2X myself. Byt as we've already established, it's all a moot point since the main problem isn't really raw speed.

 

[Barbarian]

I wouldn't count on Sony including anything but the bare minimum as a BR drive. Whatever gets the job done - for watching HD movies and storing 'big' games. Sony woudn't care if developers will have to do black magic to get things streaming fast. Sony cares that there is a BR sticker on the unit and they can claim it's the 'future' and the 'real next gen'. They know whatever MS puts in the 360 it will be inferior to BR, so they have no motivation to spicy it up any more, especially when they are bleeding money as we speak.

 

[jvd]

Exactly but the only drive we have is a 2x drive and we don't even know how much the drive cost because nobody is selling the drive outside of full blown recorders. BTW there is no 4x drive so please leave it out of the discussion.

So speculation is not allowed on these forums then ?

Perhaps we should stop talk about the both new consoles then also, cause none of them exist yet.

Its gone way past speculating and more like expecting and talking like it iwll have 4 and 6x drives .

Its like me going around saying xbox 360 will have 16x hd-dvd drives and every ms troll on the forums starting to play it back in every post . IT be awsome if it happened but the chances are very very close to 0%


The more expensive a drive sony puts into the system the more they will loose .


This year they launched the psp and are loosing money on each system sold and are not yet launched in all teritorys . Next year they will still be loosing money although less per system .

They are also going to be selling the ps3 in all markets by the end of 2006. So my question is how much do you think sony can loose per system on both psp and ps3 with out going broke ?

100$ at 10 million systems for the first year (ps2 was able to do this ) is what 1billion ? Then factor in psp losses per system and your at a crap load of money that sony just lost on psp and ps3 . Now factor in the other parts of sony that are loosing money and sony is in a tough spot .

If they loose 200$ a system that is close to 2 billion the first year on just the ps3 .

Sony will put a bluray drive in there . But aside from 1 and 2x there is no need to go faster . It will be more expensive , in less supply , and have a higher failure rate . They are putting the bluray drive in the ps3 for one reason and that is movie playback . They will deal with a slower speed drive for the fact that they can sell 10 million movie players

 

[Bjorn]

Its gone way past speculating and more like expecting and talking like it iwll have 4 and 6x drives .

I must have missed something but i've only seen posts that mentioned the possibility of a 4x drive. Not that anyone expects a 6x drive or anything like that.

Its like me going around saying xbox 360 will have 16x hd-dvd drives and every ms troll on the forums starting to play it back in every post . IT be awsome if it happened but the chances are very very close to 0%

That would be a completely different thing since MS has never mentioned anything about a HD-DVD drive in the XBox 360.

Sony will put a bluray drive in there . But aside from 1 and 2x there is no need to go faster . It will be more expensive , in less supply , and have a higher failure rate . They are putting the bluray drive in the ps3 for one reason and that is movie playback . They will deal with a slower speed drive for the fact that they can sell 10 million movie players

Probably true, as i've said, i don't expect more then 2x myself.

 

[jvd]

I must have missed something but i've only seen posts that mentioned the possibility of a 4x drive. Not that anyone expects a 6x drive or anything like that.

you should reread some posts .

That would be a completely different thing since MS has never mentioned anything about a HD-DVD drive in the XBox 360.

However toshiba has

Probably true, as i've said, i don't expect more then 2x myself.

How can you expect 2x when you haven't shown us why ? Is it just ah ope ? All i've seen is an old press release for 2x drives which have still not been released nor any new info on them about price and avalibilty . I'm sure in 2006 they can launch bluray-rom 2x drives for the pc . In small quanitys mabye 10-50k . But a few million for the ps3 ? I doubt it. I see no proof that they can . Heck i see no proof showing that they can supply the ps3 with 1x drives as they plan on launching players and roms for the pc and home in 2006 also . That is alot of drives needed for something that has been released in small quanitys ( a few thousand ) I really think sony is going to hit large shortages much bigger than the ps2 and i believe its because sony wasn't ready . Though sony new giving ms over a year in the states would have been to much time

 

[Bjorn]

But a few million for the ps3 ? I doubt it. I see no proof that they can . Heck i see no proof showing that they can supply the ps3 with 1x drives as they plan on launching players and roms for the pc and home in 2006 also .

As you said, there's no more proof that Sony can supply 1x drives so i don't see why you're worrying about any proof of a 2x drive. But the thing is, 1x drives (write) have been around for what, 3+ years in 2006, so i'm expecting a 2x drive or faster, of course not based on any proof but i'd like to think that i'm allowed to speculate on that. Without being accused of any wishful thinking.

 

[jvd]

As you said, there's no more proof that Sony can supply 1x drives so i don't see why you're worrying about any proof of a 2x drive

Of course there is more proof . Just not enought to believe they will make enough . The simple fact that at some store some where in this world there was a 1x drive and that in dev kids there are 1x drives is a thousand times more proof than 2x drives have

But the thing is, 1x drives (write) have been around for what, 3+ years in 2006

Yes but still in limited quanity. I would be surpised if they've made 10k 1x drives yet

so i'm expecting a 2x drive or faster, of course not based on any proof but i'd like to think that i'm allowed to speculate on that.

Sure have fun . But your going to be asked for a reason why and you don't have one other than u like to think. Which to me is the same as me liking to think ms will put in a hd-dvd drive in the xbox 360 at launch .

Without being accused of any wishful thinking

yet without proof that is all it is . Wishfull thinking

 

[onanie]

it seems that jvd can't have anyone "expecting" anything positive about the PS3.

The possibility exists for faster read drives (even if it must be heartbreaking for some), and the reasons have been given repeatedly. You may disagree with them, but to insolently call your fellow posters wishful thinkers - how did you ever end up as a moderator in the first place?

 

[PC-Engine]

Maybe it's just me, but what evidence was brought forth to show that 4x BR drives will be likely? 6x drives being tested in the labs isn't very strong evidence. Press releases that say we could've sold a 2x BR burner this year isn't strong evidence. Sure a 4x BR drive in PS33 is possible just like anything is possible, but if it's likely then there should be evidence to support that claim which I haven't yet seen.

 

[Sovere]

If hoping for something more than 2x Blu-ray makes me a wishful thinker bring it on. A lot of things posted in this forum are based on speculation. We don't have all the answers (and that's what makes speculation fun) I just wish people would stop being so selectively critical.