LONG Load Times. The Future of PS3 Games? - IGN

As was mentioned earlier in the thread, recording speeds have been traditionally limited by the media, not the hardware. Supposedly that isn't the case with Blu-ray.

 

From a manufacturing point of view, it's all in the laser (apparently it needs to be more powerful the faster the disc spins) and obviously accuracy. Not sure what the difference in cost would be.

From a consumer point of view, they're more expensive because they should be more expensive than the slower/older ones. Pricing policies more than anything.

 

Well for BRD pricing in PS3 the consumer model shouldn't matter to Sony, so the inclusion of a faster drive is entirely dependant on manufacturing cost.

And if the speed of the burner is limited by media, is it not theoretically possible that at this very moment in time a 16x DR-ROM could exist, save that no-one would care to mention it as there's no read-only BRD discs? We're hearing about the writers speed increase, 2x, 4x, 6x...I Is this advances in media or lasers? If the limiting factor is lasers than a reader could be no faster, but if the limiting factor is media than we've no idea what athe fastest currently possible reader is, which kinda makes speculation really out there (as opposed to our usual just 'out there' speculation).

 

From http://www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/downloadablefile/general_bluraydiscformat-12834.pdf

 

Ahhhh. So it's hardware limited to current speeds then, which means no readers faster than writers. Thanks.

 

Actually, part of the lag on speeds in BDs for writing is du to the laser oscillations. In order to write a 1 or 0, depending on how it's read, the laser goes from a high output to a low output beam in over a certain period of time. A bit of an issue with the higher powered blue lasers. Shortening the period for the oscillations is one of the reasons it takes so long for write speeds to catch up to read speeds, since a reader doesn't need to oscillate its output in order to do it's job. That's a significantly easier situation, from my perspective, but perhaps it's not the only "bottleneck" between read and write.

 

write drives allways existed . It was about a year diffrence from 16x rewriteable drives to hit after 16x read dvd drives hit and that ws because the first 16x dvd drives had trouble transfering over 12x due to turbulance . Other than that there are other issues like media avalibitly , pricing and yield issues . Your not going to put out a new 400$ writer and devalue the 12x dvd rws you just shipped a few months ago unless they aren't selling well . Your not going to put out a 16x dvd rw if the fastest media discs are only rated for 8x and your certianly not going to make a 16x dvd rw if its to expensive to produce and turn a profit .



It still doesn't matter Fafalada since you have yet to show any press releases or announcments for any drive faster than 1x heading our way . With only 8 months to go announcements would have been made. Esp since they've been involved in a pissing match with toshiba over hd-dvd lately

 

And also this topic is useless unless for people who want to flame..

 

Makes you think why with a launch in 8 months . They need a good 2-3 months to start producing units . Give them say 5-6 months before they need to lock down the system and take a drive that has yet to be produced in any quanity anywhere to hundreds of thousands of units for launch .

1 x will still give u 25-30gigs per layer . Read speed wont matter as developers will start to optimize the hell out of it and as Fafalada has pointed out that can make up for a lack of drive speed . Other than that this quote can do with anything . They can still sell the system far after its outdated at 50$ to hit a new marking number

Sure if we stop believing that sony will sell the ps3 for 400$ and raise it to 500$ . Unless you think sony is a bottemless money pit that can put in expensive drives they have yet to produce into a system they will need a million or so units around each of the launches for .

That alone gives me reason to bleive 2x will be the max of what we see . Esp considering i expect very few games to actually use bluray discs

 

Drives with write speeds above what you can find media for has been quite common when the DVD burners took of. I seem to remember that most of the test with the early 8X drives were done on 4X media f.e.

 

http://www.digitimes.com/Background...2005/06/03&pages=84&seq=102&Cat=1

 

2x planned for mass producing in first half of 2006. Considering PS3 should enter mass production by Jan '06, 1x ?

I was thinking of another pov on this topic, arent the lasers for Blu-Ray and DVD separate ? If so, PS3 shouldnt have a problem reading 12x DVDs, it will just be a name sake Blu-Ray device. I dont have an idea about the minimum spec required for High Def movies planned for the next couple of years.

 

Yeah but that's a burner, not a ROM-drive. Doesn't really help us in that regard.

 

i haven't seen anyone have any press releases about just plain readers so far and if indeed the hardware could support higher read speed then the benq burner would read at faster than 2x.

 

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2005/jul/1168294.htm

 

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20041005/ceatec02.htm

BTW, last year Pioneer showed a Blu-ray burner for PC at CEATEC 2004, which can write BD-R/BD-R RE @ x2, DVD+/-R @ x8, DVD-RW @ x4, DVD-R DL @ 2.4, and can read BD-ROM @ x2. Its plan then was it'd be released in early 2005 as soon as the BD-ROM standard is ratified, so a x2 BD-ROM hardware would be ready now.

 

http://www20.tomshardware.com/business/20050318/cebit_2005-02.html

This is also 2x write 2x read. I think that`s what 1st gen blueray drives are aimed at and the PS3 will likely have a 2x

 

Just wait to see what Sony announces. Most BR drives will be RW since that's the format's strongpoint. It's being promoted heavily as a recorder b/c HDTV penetration isn't high enough yet IMO. And AFAIK, BR manufacturers have been focusing heavily on recordable media first and foremost. The PS3 should be one of the few ROM drives on the market IMO. For SDTV and regular PC usage, there's simply no great necessity to have a 25-50GB read-only format. What are you gonna fill all that space with? At least recordable drives can offer great DVR features for home entertainment consumers, and massive backup for PC users. Let's use some common sense here. This has no bearing on what Sony will offer for the PS3. The skepticism is the same nonsense we saw in the HD-DVD vs. BR threads, and they were all debunked eventually anyway. If Sony produces a 4x BR drive for the PS3, will anyone be suprised, or really even care? Most first-gen games will probably be DL-DVD anyway. I just hope the DVD read speed is 12x-16x standard. PEACE.

 

Well one thing that would change once 4x BR is announced, is the manufacturing cost predictions.
Ironically PS3 is perceived as rather cheap right now - not anywhere near the 800$ that PS2 was going for a year before launch - but I expect fast BR drive would put them on even ground with most of our resident pricing specialists.

 

Let me guess, this has something to do with load times on PS3? Please leave your war at the door.

What I find interesting is why people are posting press releases of when these expensive drives will be available. It's nice to know you'll be able to buy one of these drives in the next few months, but it doesn't mean anything with regards to PS3 if the drives are expensive. Unless you think PS3 will have the expensive fast version of these drives, then these press releases don't mean much.

At what price? Doesn't mean much without pricing does it?