LONG Load Times. The Future of PS3 Games? - IGN
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BenQ said:
No i did a search for blu-ray speeds and that came up...it holds true so i posted it
ShootMyMonkey
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Looking through some of the whitepapers, I only see 54 Mbps mentioned in the light of A/V playback... Likely reasons for that probably include the fact that video discs would require less error protection than data discs, and because the max supported bitrate for BDAV MPEG-2 is apparently 48 Mbps. Actually, in the general whitepaper, the only throughput number mentioned is the 36 Mbps. For those who asked about power draw, record power at 1x seems to be around 5.2 mW per layer on rewritable media.
BTW, to those who haven't noticed, "blu-ray.com" isn't the official site -- it's blu-raydisc.com.
If the 54 Mbps read rate applies to data as well as video, then a 3x may be enough, though.
BTW, to those who haven't noticed, "blu-ray.com" isn't the official site -- it's blu-raydisc.com.
The only place I've seen that outside of forums was a blog where someone said that you'd need at least 4x to exceed the throughput of a 12X DVD drive, and hence Sony couldn't afford to shoot any lower.
If the 54 Mbps read rate applies to data as well as video, then a 3x may be enough, though.
Except i've never heard of an odd numbered optical format ?
Its notmaly 1 , 2 , 4 , 6 , 8 and so on (Yes i'm away 1x is odd but that is normaly it )
Personaly no one has been able to link to a producable 2x drive let alone 4x drive , nor any press releases that state anything othre than in the labs . With only 8is h months till launch I find it impossible
And to mech . Your only comparing the ps2 drive to the xbox . There were other dvd players around and 4x dvd roms were not impressive . It may have been the same as the xbox drive. But in both cases there were faster drives avalible .
ShootMyMonkey
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When CD recorders first came out, there were 3X burners all over the place. I remember NEC made some 3X and 4.5X SCSI recorders that were ridiculously expensive. Even when DVD burners were new, there were 1.7X and 2.4X burners everywhere.
40X read/write is usually CAV, which often means that at the center tracks, it'll be something along the lines of 17X. Whatever... I really don't see any physical reason for not having odd-numbered speeds.
jvd said:
Hahahaha you've never heard of an odd-numbered optical format? I mentioned one in my post dude
Anyway, the point was when the PS2 came out in 2000, DVD-ROMs in PCs and even DVDs in the home were quite rare, and 4x was quite a good speed. This is further evidenced by the speed of the Xbox player basically only matching it, despite coming out quite a bit later. It's easy to think now that 4x DVD-ROMs aren't fast, but back in 2000 it was a much bigger deal.
MechanizedDeath
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Drives don't have to be even or even whole numbers. As pointed out, a lot of DVD burners clocked in at 2.4x. Some clever manufacturers/retailers even labeled them as 3x. And NEC was one of the few to make 3x CD drivers as well. I could see a 3x BR drive, but I think Sony would go with 4x. Bumping up drive speeds has become relatively trivial since CD drives stayed at 1x for what seemed like an eternity. The principles for optical drives are pretty simple. I think the problem is really more in media for burners and in high-speed drives when the media gets squirrely and starts screwing up the pickups. This is my understanding of optical drives at least. I really hope for a 4x BR drive. It would seem kinda stupid to have the higher-capacity media read at a lower rate than the lower-capacity media. :? PEACE.
Hahaha no i haven't . I've actually never seen one for sale either . That is another story all together though .
I also haven't seen any announcments on sony about a 3x bluray drive thus its a moot point
There were already around 20 million dvd roms world wide or more in 2000. 8x was out also and perhaps higher .
Secondly xbox doesn't factor into anything as that is another product in 2001 and basicly your saying sony put in a fast drive compared to ms . Not compared to what was out on the market .
However this time there are only 1x drives on the market in terms of bluray and no annoucements for 2x drives that i have seen . Thus going by ps2 sony would stick with a 1x even if 2x drives were out since they were never using the fastest drive on the market
Well you had when you wrote that, because I'd already mentioned Xbox's 5x drive
Do you have any data to back you up on this? The stuff I mentioned I've got plenty of links for, but your stuff just seems to be vague anecdotes.
My memory of the time is that the majority of computers didn't have DVD-ROMs (I'm usually an early adaptor of things, and I certainly didn't get mine till 2002), and I DEFINITELY remember how expensive DVD players were and how few people had them.
*sigh* The Xbox example was meant to point out that for the price point, for the time, for what it was, the 4x drive was an excellent and fast little drive. It just provided reference. I'm not saying the 4x drive was the fastest drive at the time - just that it was a great speed for the time.
Maybe, perhaps, the reason that Sony included only a 4x DVD-ROM in the PS2 wasn't because it was the best they could do, but perhaps because it was all that was required.
Just because the dev kits only have a 1x Blu-Ray drive in them, doesn't mean that the PS3 will as well. The dev kits are using inferior parts on every level, and I don't see the BD-ROM being an exception. Also, I don't see devs actually using the BD-ROM in the dev kits at all at this stage, since they probably just use the HDD for all testing purposes.
And since 6x Blu-Ray recordable devices exist "in the lab", then logic would tell us that at least 12x Blu-Ray readable devices exist "in the lab" also, since read speeds are always far greater than write speeds. This may not be true, but i'm just using it to point out... we really don't know what kind of READ speeds they're going to be able to offer, suffice to say, it will be greater than 1x.
I'm counting the seconds to when they announce the BD-ROM speed.
Just because the dev kits only have a 1x Blu-Ray drive in them, doesn't mean that the PS3 will as well. The dev kits are using inferior parts on every level, and I don't see the BD-ROM being an exception. Also, I don't see devs actually using the BD-ROM in the dev kits at all at this stage, since they probably just use the HDD for all testing purposes.
And since 6x Blu-Ray recordable devices exist "in the lab", then logic would tell us that at least 12x Blu-Ray readable devices exist "in the lab" also, since read speeds are always far greater than write speeds. This may not be true, but i'm just using it to point out... we really don't know what kind of READ speeds they're going to be able to offer, suffice to say, it will be greater than 1x.
I'm counting the seconds to when they announce the BD-ROM speed.
Like i've said i've never seen one for sale .
I never bought a xbox remember ?
Your right , i'm wrong it was more like 46 million
For the source link u have to ask the original poster of it mckmass
But it wasn't as the 8x was an excellent and fast drive for the time . 4x was half the speed of the fastest drive out there . That is also what i recall. They may have already been at 12x at that time . I'm not sure though i remember buying a 16x in 2001 .
What logic ? There are 5ghz p4s in the lab. Does that mean at least 10 ghz p4s exist in the lab ? They have 8 layer discs in the lab , does that mean in some lab there are 16 layer bluray discs ?
That is nonsense .
Link me to the fastest dvd-rom drives out there . Your going to get 16x . Link me to the fastest dvd-r drives out there and your going to get 16x .
Doesn't hold up your arguement .
YOu have yet to show me any announcments for a time frame of 2x drives being released on the market . Let alone 4x and 6x drives .
I'm looking at this in a logical way . Right now the only drives they have produced in any quanity are 1x drives , let alone in the numbers needed in 2006 for a ps3 launch . There are still no announcment for a 2x launch date . There is no news at all about 4x or 6x other than they have it working in the labs . Going from working in the lab to mass production of a few hundred thousand units in 8 months is a tall order esp since they have no mass produced bluray drive yet
Megadrive1988
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heh, I remember in 1993 or early 1994, the Sega Saturn was rumored to have a 3x CD-ROM drive.
then in 1996 or 1997, there were rumors of a Playstation 'Type C' model with a 4x CD-ROM.
then in 1996 or 1997, there were rumors of a Playstation 'Type C' model with a 4x CD-ROM.
jvd said:
Couldn't you at least try to understand what he wrote ?
He was saying that there's usually a difference between read and write speeds (especially when the technology is new) so that if there's a 4X write speed drives in the labs then perhaps there are 8X read drives also. And the PS3 will use a read only drive.
Bjorn you should read posts before you come to the rescue . He clearly states
That since a 6x recordable drive exists in the lab then logic would tlel us a 12x bluray readable exists .
Which is horrible logic and I gave some examples of why .
Where is another one . We have 16x dvd rw drives on shelves . Yet there are no 32x dvd readers in existance .
That is what he said ..
It really doesn't matter what drive ps3 will use since no one here can show any proof that anything but a 1x drive will be avalible in the types of volumes needed . In the lab and mass produced in the hundreds of thousands are completely diffrent and sony has 8 months before a launch.
Heck I don't see any proof that sony will be able to provide 1x drives in the quanity needed . But at least they have been producing them in small quanitys for months now .
That since a 6x recordable drive exists in the lab then logic would tlel us a 12x bluray readable exists .
Which is horrible logic and I gave some examples of why .
Where is another one . We have 16x dvd rw drives on shelves . Yet there are no 32x dvd readers in existance .
That is what he said ..
It really doesn't matter what drive ps3 will use since no one here can show any proof that anything but a 1x drive will be avalible in the types of volumes needed . In the lab and mass produced in the hundreds of thousands are completely diffrent and sony has 8 months before a launch.
Heck I don't see any proof that sony will be able to provide 1x drives in the quanity needed . But at least they have been producing them in small quanitys for months now .
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