Kojima on next gen Hardware

[pascal]

Then the Revolution sounds more like some kind of high-speed Gamecube (remenber triforce).

How did you get that from a dinner analogy?

Well, Revolution is supposed to be faster than gamecube. Also there is this information about legacy compatibility. Now Kojima talk about more availability of content/game ("great steak at your house everyday").

Imagine something you can play Metroid Prime, Ikaruga, etc.. but better
And the developer can make some MP, etc.. better, but not necesserily with hollywood level budget.
And the developer can make a hollywood style game if they want.

If they can make it with a lower price console and maybe lower price games than it could mean a good competition.

Triforce was just a GC with more ram BTW, nothing high speed about it and nothing to do with Revolution.

Correct, but it is compatible with GC and it is offering more capability (more ram). Then you could run games with more textures, which is an improvment.

 

[Rodéric]

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If they can make it with a lower price console and maybe lower price games than it could mean a good competition.
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Isn't that the only reason for competition to exist ? (Having cheaper yet better products)

 

[talyn99]

To london, mental instition............................bwahahahahahahahaha. Naw, he is just like and egg, cracked. Ithink he was stately PS3 as most powerful and feature rich, yada yada. Works for me

 

[Jon Brittan]

It's hard to tell what he was getting at, he kept suggesting the quality of food was the same, the quality of venue was different and the regularity was different.

The closest I could come was somewhere along the lines of:

PS3:
-Great graphics (Good quality food)
-Great game environment, physics, AI etc (Good quality venue)
-Small number of (AAA?) games (Visit once or twice a year)

X360:
-Great graphics (Good quality food)
-Decent game environment (Decent venue)
-Reasonable number of (AAA?) games (Visit a few times a month)

Revolution:
-Great graphics (Good quality food)
-Average (current gen?) game environment (Poor venue)
-High number of (AAA?) games (Visit daily)


As I said though, exceptionally difficult to see what exactly he was trying to get at...

 

[SoVos20]

So where PS3 is a 6 course at the Paris Hilton, and XB360 is three courses at a local restaurant, Revolution is a microwaved TV dinner?

If I'm still paying the same prices for my meals, I'd rather have the Paris Hilton thank you very much!

I think this analogy is gonna bite Nintendo in the butt when word gets out!

I don't how you got that, but I got something completely different.

I got PS3 was a luxury dinner, Rev was Semi Luxury, andd X360 was a TV dinner.

 

[Jon Brittan]

So where PS3 is a 6 course at the Paris Hilton, and XB360 is three courses at a local restaurant, Revolution is a microwaved TV dinner?

If I'm still paying the same prices for my meals, I'd rather have the Paris Hilton thank you very much!

I think this analogy is gonna bite Nintendo in the butt when word gets out!

I don't how you got that, but I got something completely different.

I got PS3 was a luxury dinner, Rev was Semi Luxury, andd X360 was a TV dinner.

Then you seriously need to re-read, x360 was definitely the middle ground whichever way you choose to interpret the rest

 

[SoVos20]

So where PS3 is a 6 course at the Paris Hilton, and XB360 is three courses at a local restaurant, Revolution is a microwaved TV dinner?

If I'm still paying the same prices for my meals, I'd rather have the Paris Hilton thank you very much!

I think this analogy is gonna bite Nintendo in the butt when word gets out!

I don't how you got that, but I got something completely different.

I got PS3 was a luxury dinner, Rev was Semi Luxury, andd X360 was a TV dinner.

Then you seriously need to re-read, x360 was definitely the middle ground whichever way you choose to interpret the rest

No you need to reread. It didn't say X360 was middle ground. It said it was like a casual dinner everyday, and Rev was a steak dinner each day.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I think the analogy is so cooky no-one really knows what he meant

 

[Jon Brittan]

So where PS3 is a 6 course at the Paris Hilton, and XB360 is three courses at a local restaurant, Revolution is a microwaved TV dinner?

If I'm still paying the same prices for my meals, I'd rather have the Paris Hilton thank you very much!

I think this analogy is gonna bite Nintendo in the butt when word gets out!

I don't how you got that, but I got something completely different.

I got PS3 was a luxury dinner, Rev was Semi Luxury, andd X360 was a TV dinner.

Then you seriously need to re-read, x360 was definitely the middle ground whichever way you choose to interpret the rest

No you need to reread. It didn't say X360 was middle ground. It said it was like a casual dinner everyday, and Rev was a steak dinner each day.

And "no".

Xbox 360 will still be a special dinner so you might go there two or three times a month on the weekend or something. Revolution is the kind of great dinner that you have everyday at your home.

If the game creators and the users want to have a great steak for their anniversary, they go maybe to PS3. But if they want great dinner, great steak with their family, a little bit more casual during the weekends, they might select Xbox 360. Or why not have a great steak at your house everyday, they might choose Revolution.

So PS3 is the special dinner at special venue, X360 is the special dinner at an average restaurant and Rev is a special dinner at home.

No matter anyway, it's an awful analogy and I think everyone's going to struggle to understand exactly what he was trying to get at.

 

[Nite_Hawk]

I'm not convinced he knows what he was trying to get at.

Nite_Hawk

 

[RancidLunchmeat]

I think the only way to believe his analogy is if you believe the PS3 is more difficult to program for.

If you take that as being an assumption, then you can get to the point where you see why the PS3 will have less very high quality games.

So the PS3 might have the best, but they won't exist very often because of reason X (I'm saying difficulty in programming).

The X360 can't get quite to the same level of the best of the PS3, but it's easier to program for so those other games will be more readily available.

The Revolution gives you want you know and are comfortable with, and pretty much takes up the rear despite his attempts not to bash it too hard.

I think the most interesting thing about his comments weren't his trying to determine how many courses the PS3 or the X360 would be. It was what he was trying to say about how "Quality/Quantity" divergence would lead gamers to choose platforms based on other reasons. His comments about location, ease of use, etc.. were really interesting.

I couldn't tell if he was talking about the availability of the consoles themselves (and software), or if he was talking "neighborhood" in an internet community sense, etc..?

Anybody given those comments any thought?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I actually haven’t started developing on the new consoles yet.

He's talking about development. As a developer he think making the most of PS3 is a rare thing, once in a while, and some devs may not be able to reach those targets. Whereas developing for Revolution is a day-to-day thing.

 

[Rodéric]

Well the whole thing isn't self explanatory, unfortunately, or maybe the translation isn't top notch, dunno.

I actually haven’t started developing on the new consoles yet.

He's talking about development. As a developer he think making the most of PS3 is a rare thing, once in a while, and some devs may not be able to reach those targets. Whereas developing for Revolution is a day-to-day thing.

I bet to disagree, clearly :

f the game creators and the users want to have a great steak for their anniversary, they go maybe to PS3. But if they want great dinner, great steak with their family, a little bit more casual during the weekends, they might select Xbox 360. Or why not have a great steak at your house everyday, they might choose Revolution. So my impression of the battle between the consoles is, it’s not about what kind of dinner it is. It’s more about how much the dinner will be.

He's talking about both "the game creators & the users", I'm beginning to consider the fact that he may be talking about titles availability.
Something like if you want a few great games a year, then go PS3, if you want great games more often go XBox360, and if you want great games everyday go Revolution.

Sounds a bit weird though cause Playstations had the more games sofar (but not all great anyway)...

Maybe he's talking about the games pricing ?


BTW

If you allow me to express the three hardware platforms in a funny example,...

Someone should have disallowed him to express the 3 consoles in a funny example !

 

[jvd]

If anything the nintendo system would be the one you go out to on special days . Think about it you get a few titles but they are all tripple a . The x360 will get its fair share of exclusives and shovel ware and so will the ps3 so they would be like the tgif resturants

 

[typoEDR]

I hope this is some secret way of saying a sequel to Snatcher is development... :?

 

[Teasy]

So where PS3 is a 6 course at the Paris Hilton, and XB360 is three courses at a local restaurant, Revolution is a microwaved TV dinner?

He didn't say that, he said a great steak dinner at home. If I was trying to make a great steak dinner at home I definitely wouldn't be using a microwave

 

[Teasy]

Pascal

I don't think any of what you said neccesarily points to a high speed GameCube (as in an overclocked GC). Everything you mention can be done with a new system with custom designed chips.

Unless when you say high speed GC you just mean a system with a similar architecture and dev tools but more powerful and feature rich? Because I agree that's what Nintendo are trying to create (sames GPU, CPU, memory and mainboard designers as with GC).

 

[blakjedi]

Dives have the best food!

 

[pascal]

Teasy

What I mean is a new system like you understand it (more features, etc..) that can act like a high-speed GC when needed. But a new system not necessarily mean a radically new way of develop a content/game. You just need to do it better.

The idea of having more content is IMHO very atractive.
I am not a developer but my guess too much focus (money/time) on FX may eventually lose the focus on gameplay.

Hope the Revolution name means better gameplay

 

[Xenus]

I think I've got it PS3=$26 steak, Xbox360=$14 steak, and Revolution=$5 steak you cook yourself.