Killzone Prerendered E3 Trailer Talk

The ps3 dev. kit 2.4Ghz cell was able to handle volumetric smog(which to me looked virtually identical to the one seen in kz trailer, though it may not be of the same quality, it's so close as to be indistinguishable. I've both trailers right in front of me.) along with the physics for the explosion, smoke and destruction that ensued in the gas station demo. Now I'm not sure what that demo involved, but it was said that it was all done on cell. Does that mean all the texturing, lighting, etc, that's normally done by a gpu was also done on the weaker 2.4Ghz cell while at the same time it was generating a physics based explosion with accurate volumetric smoke movement and debris collision detection?

To a robot thingie with perfectly cylindrical smoothly animated tube, and the two most detailed realtime characters ever seen, with pixel-simulating shaders running over the robot's screen, and a super detailed high poly gun, and smoke effects too!(btw, only some parts of the environment had low-rez textures as it's said they had to recycle do to time constraints on the rushed trailer, snake, otacon, the robot've superb texturing.)

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Good discussion people, just keep it civil. Thats why I am addicted to B3D...

 

I think we should again bear in mind that it's not about technically matching the techniques and processes at play in a prerendered sequence, rather reaching a level that could look like that. That's what realtime rendering is all about - "tricks", perceptual quality etc.

Just because something is prerendered doesn't mean it can't be effectively "done" in realtime, for all intents and purposes, from most people's point of view. Hate to hold it up as an exemplar here, because it's not on the same plane as the Killzone trailer in terms of either complexity or impressiveness (though I do remember claims of "impossible" at E3 with regard to it also), but the prerendered Mobile Suit Gundam trailer has been pretty faithfully realised in realtime now.

 

Your right, I cant believe I forgot about that demo, one of the most important demos related to this discussion. So like I said, I beleive its certainly possible the ps3 can do things like that.

Infact, I beleive a developer or someone even mentioned a game being created around that demo's engine.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8025980825115926132&q=playstation+3

True also.

 

Umm, no offence at all, but I think you should read the couple posts above yours. I think volumetric smoke like that is very possible.

 

That is taken very much out of context, since Jack was interrupted with that question while answering his previous question. He was still speaking in terms of I-8. I addressed this issue a few weeks ago and I don't think there's really any room for debate here. IGN simply misinterpreted his comments.

 

Well does look volumetric they even rotate the camera around it and looks like gobs of smoke not 2d particles, and the lighting does get through selectively, that is the thickest smoke doesn't quite let it through as the less thick smoke does once the explosion's light intensity has gone down a bit. There's also heat haze, accurate explosion/smoke displacement physics, lot's of debris with collision detection, and probably doing all that a gpu does to render the gphx(unless I missheard, or someone knows and can clarify this for us without braking NDA) at the same time while going at 2.4Ghz.

In the end the end product's what matters.

 

Exactly. Titanio touches on this in his post.

 

Great example. Thank you.

 

It wasnt just a tech demo though. He specifically said it was a scene from a game they have in development.

 

I remember him saying that aswel.

 

and it was most likely using the 2.4Ghz cell

Even the clothing in FF:TSW was rather stiff, heck most cg clothing was till a few years back. You'd have said something like the FFVII tech demo with supah smooth clothing animation would run at 60fps on early ps3 kits, and most would've laughed. Yet it happened, what was difficult to do even in prerendered scenes became feasible for realtime. New algorithms always pop-up, you never know when a good realtime solution will appear.

 

Here it is : http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profile/updates.php?user=HardWood

Its the second one from the bottom

 

This thread has reached the bottom... I especially like how one guy shows the UT2K7 image and says that this is the proof for KZ being possible in realtime... ROTFL...