Japanese people lining up for PS2+BB Unit package

Deepak said:
More than NA, they should have had included Hard Disk....buying Memory cards suck!

Most games will not save to hard disk (only a handfull of games are), you still need memory cards to play almost all PS2 games.

The hard disk can be a save storage that you can copy from/to the memory cards, though.
 
Doesnt XB save to HD? Why cant the same be implemented in PS2? I pray that next gen consoles do have inbuilt HDDs....the concept of MC is so idiotic now...not to mention money you have to waste on it!
 
Deepak said:
Doesnt XB save to HD? Why cant the same be implemented in PS2? I pray that next gen consoles do have inbuilt HDDs....the concept of MC is so idiotic now...not to mention money you have to waste on it!

PS2 launched without a hard disk and most people play games using a memory card than the hard disk.

I will rather waste money on memory cards than hard disk. I simply don't trust hard disks. I really hate some X-BOX games which only save to the HD than memory cards.
 
The problem is MC is expensive and is limited in size....if they charged $ 23 for a 100 MB MC, I wouldnt mind it! I think HDs are as reliable as MCs...MCs also get currupted! I think the best option would be to include both!
 
Deepak said:
The problem is MC is expensive and is limited in size....if they charged $ 23 for a 100 MB MC, I wouldnt mind it! I think HDs are as reliable as MCs...MCs also get currupted! I think the best option would be to include both!

May be I am lucky, I have never had any corrupted memory cards since the PSX days. But I had planty of failed IDE hard disks. That's why my PC is running on SCSI RAID 5 for speed and fault tolerance. My working storage and backup is on MO and USB flash disc.
 
maskrider said:
Deepak said:
The problem is MC is expensive and is limited in size....if they charged $ 23 for a 100 MB MC, I wouldnt mind it! I think HDs are as reliable as MCs...MCs also get currupted! I think the best option would be to include both!

May be I am lucky, I have never had any corrupted memory cards since the PSX days. But I had planty of failed IDE hard disks. That's why my PC is running on SCSI RAID 5 for speed and fault tolerance. My working storage and backup is on MO and USB flash disc.

i've had plenty (well 2 ) sony ps2 mem cards fail on me. Never had a hardrive fail though. Everyone gets a bad product . Its a fact of life .
 
jvd said:
maskrider said:
Deepak said:
The problem is MC is expensive and is limited in size....if they charged $ 23 for a 100 MB MC, I wouldnt mind it! I think HDs are as reliable as MCs...MCs also get currupted! I think the best option would be to include both!

May be I am lucky, I have never had any corrupted memory cards since the PSX days. But I had planty of failed IDE hard disks. That's why my PC is running on SCSI RAID 5 for speed and fault tolerance. My working storage and backup is on MO and USB flash disc.

i've had plenty (well 2 ) sony ps2 mem cards fail on me. Never had a hardrive fail though. Everyone gets a bad product . Its a fact of life .

Sure everyone gets a bad product, I don't trust hard disk anymore without any form of fault tolerance.

You lost a lot more with a failed hard disk than a failed memory card because of the difference in capacity.

I also have plenty of backup for PS2 saves (I have 6 PS2 memory cards) and I will also save them to my PS2 HDD and my MO (I have a PS2 memory adaptor to transfer saves to PC).

Except power failure during a write to the memory card, memory card failures usually caused by bad contacts after they are pulling in and out a lot of times from the port or a bit loose connection because of vibration or others.

I clean the contacts on the memory cards periodically.

edit: Oooh, my plenty means 4, I lost some major stuffs with failed hard disks, the only approchable backup storage is floppy in those days.
 
maskrider said:
jvd said:
maskrider said:
Deepak said:
The problem is MC is expensive and is limited in size....if they charged $ 23 for a 100 MB MC, I wouldnt mind it! I think HDs are as reliable as MCs...MCs also get currupted! I think the best option would be to include both!

May be I am lucky, I have never had any corrupted memory cards since the PSX days. But I had planty of failed IDE hard disks. That's why my PC is running on SCSI RAID 5 for speed and fault tolerance. My working storage and backup is on MO and USB flash disc.

i've had plenty (well 2 ) sony ps2 mem cards fail on me. Never had a hardrive fail though. Everyone gets a bad product . Its a fact of life .
Sure everyone gets a bad product, I don't trust hard disk anymore without any form of fault tolerance.

You lost a lot more with a failed hard disk than a failed memory card because of the difference in capacity.

I also have plenty of backup for PS2 saves (I have 6 PS2 memory cards) and I will also save them to my PS2 HDD and my MO (I have a PS2 memory adaptor to transfer saves to PC).

Except power failure during a write to the memory card, memory card failures usually caused by bad contacts after they are pulling in and out a lot of times from the port or a bit loose connection because of vibration or others.

I clean the contacts on the memory cards periodically.

edit: Oooh, my plenty means 4, I lost some major stuffs with failed hard disks, the only approchable backup storage is floppy in those days.
never lost any info i'm smart and use raid to back everything up all the time (forgot what raid it is) I allways have two hardrives .

Yes i wont by another sony dvd player . I had 2 that refused to play a full dvd after a year of being owned. I now only buy toshiba .
 
jvd said:
never lost any info i'm smart and use raid to back everything up all the time (forgot what raid it is) I allways have two hardrives .

Yes i wont by another sony dvd player . I had 2 that refused to play a full dvd after a year of being owned. I now only buy toshiba .

I backup to floppies by some floppy based backup software (Fastback, anyone remember ?) in those days, there was no such thing as IDE RAID in those days.

For the current DVD players, I will prefer Panasonic RP82, but I already have a Pioneer and an old Sony.

And BTW, do you clean the laser head periodically ?
 
Deepak said:
Doesnt XB save to HD? Why cant the same be implemented in PS2? I pray that next gen consoles do have inbuilt HDDs....the concept of MC is so idiotic now...not to mention money you have to waste on it!

Exactly why Sony will stick with memory cards :) Money money money money (I'm sure the margins on them are insane).

Never had a hard drive fail on me (knocks on wood), despite having 4 stacked directly on top of each other in my file server :p

I lost a few saves on my PS2 mem card from corruption.. and I've taken the card out of the slot maybe three times in its entire life. XB on the other hand has never given me a problem.

Different strokes for different folks...
 
zurich said:
Different strokes for different folks...

Yeah, sure. But I had my first IBM PC clone in 1987 (I had an Apple II since 1981) and my first hard disk (MFM 20MB) in 1988, our length of time with computer should be pretty different I suppose.
 
chaphack said:
I think with the latest PS2 browser disc, you can save and play from HDD? :oops:

To be able to save to hard disk, the game has to support it, or else the HDD unit will be turned off.

I am also disappointed when I found it when I got my PS2 HDD. With the current BB Navigator, reading and copying saves are very very clumpsy than without it.

I like the old hard disk browser (like the usual memory browser) than the BB Navigator. There are indeed not much stuffs available in the channels with BB Navigator at the moment, only one or two PS1 games has a playable demo for downloading, the other channels are mainly pictures or movies.
 
maskrider said:
zurich said:
Different strokes for different folks...

Yeah, sure. But I had my first IBM PC clone in 1987 (I had an Apple II since 1981) and my first hard disk (MFM 20MB) in 1988, our length of time with computer should be pretty different I suppose.

Not by much. My first hardware experience was upgrading our family's 286 from 1 meg of ram to 2, and thats when I was 10 (1990 or so) ;)
 
zurich said:
maskrider said:
zurich said:
Different strokes for different folks...

Yeah, sure. But I had my first IBM PC clone in 1987 (I had an Apple II since 1981) and my first hard disk (MFM 20MB) in 1988, our length of time with computer should be pretty different I suppose.

Not by much. My first hardware experience was upgrading our family's 286 from 1 meg of ram to 2, and thats when I was 10 (1990 or so) ;)

Ha ha ! Not that different with PC. I don't have money to buy a PC until 1987, that's why I used the Apple II for that long even though IBM PC was available around 1985 in Hong Kong. BTW, my first PC was a 10MHz 286 XT (yes, 286 XT) with 1MByte of RAM (which cost me US$500 for memory only) without hard disk (floppy only, hard disks are expensive).
 
Never had problems with my original Sony PS 1MB mem cards(bought during PS european launch) or 8MB PS2 mem cards (bought at launch).
Never had any problems with my 6 years old 3.2GB Seagate HD or my 3 year old 10GB IBM HD either.
All of these have been in daily use, never cleaned any mem card contacts or such, but I also keep my environment clean and relatively dust-free and handle my equipment nicely.

It's quite amazing really, that I don't recall any of my electronic equipment failing unexpectedly. The only machine I've ever had problems with was my Toyota Corolla '86 car (and it also had a very few failures, mostly caused by neglected services...you do have to check the oil every now and then) and a Technics cassette deck that was about 6 years old (and the failure was a simple loosened wire that would have been easy to replace myself if I had soldering iron).
 
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