"Italian court rules mod chips legal"

Well i'm not surprised in the least. I am horrified sometimes at the complete indifference on piracy in the Italian market. Everyone of my friends back there have modded PS1-PS2s. Everyone of them modded them so they can play pirate copies of games.

The Italian Government acts like this is still a "small" niche market, as if it was still a "children" market. Maybe one day they will realise the loss in resources caused by piracy. And this is not only valid for videogames.

Maybe Mr Berlusconi should think of doing his job right (or, better, LEAVE) instead of his weekly sunbed and monthly facelift....
 
london-boy said:
Well i'm not surprised in the least. I am horrified sometimes at the complete indifference on piracy in the Italian market. Everyone of my friends back there have modded PS1-PS2s. Everyone of them modded them so they can play pirate copies of games.

You're equating modchips with piracy. While this might be the case most of the time, there are significant noninfringing uses for a modded console. Penalizing people who are legally modding because of pirates is not fair. You can still prosecute pirates without making modchips illegal.
BTW, I think a similar law was passed in Australia, so this is not a case of Italy being lenient, but rather of the US being skewed toward protecting copyright holders at the expense of the public.
 
pcostabel said:
london-boy said:
Well i'm not surprised in the least. I am horrified sometimes at the complete indifference on piracy in the Italian market. Everyone of my friends back there have modded PS1-PS2s. Everyone of them modded them so they can play pirate copies of games.

You're equating modchips with piracy. While this might be the case most of the time, there are significant noninfringing uses for a modded console. Penalizing people who are legally modding because of pirates is not fair. You can still prosecute pirates without making modchips illegal.
BTW, I think a similar law was passed in Australia, so this is not a case of Italy being lenient, but rather of the US being skewed toward protecting copyright holders at the expense of the public.

Sp maybe you could enlighten us about the uses of a modded ps2 which doesn't include piracy, and please make a guess about what % of those who mod their machines that doesn't use it for playing copied games?
 
There may be individuals or even communities who like to mod their systems so they can do their own development work on it or try to do something with the machine it was never meant to do. I really don't care what someone does with it as long as it is not for pirating games. But I will say from experience that modchips are really nothing more than a tool to pirate games. To some they may be tools to get into the system's guts and learn its intricacies, but somewhere down along the line some of those people will do it for the money. That's where the piracy starts and that's where modchips should be banned. But I'm not completely against modding of a console just as long as it isn't used for piracy. It's just that in most cases it is, and that is not a generalization, it's just plain fact. My views are biased when it comes to this topic, I will admit that in all its glory. I do think that if Dreamcast piracy wasn't so rampant my employer would still be in the console market. That and if they actually stuck with it.
 
Mod-chips will enable you to play imported games, a must for Europeans who want to play games like Xenosaga, .hack and numerous other games that either take ages to get to Europe or doesn't get released at all. That's enough reason for me to not want them banned.
 
oi said:
Mod-chips will enable you to play imported games, a must for Europeans who want to play games like Xenosaga, .hack and numerous other games that either take ages to get to Europe or doesn't get released at all. That's enough reason for me to not want them banned.

I sympaphise with this, Mods Should primarily be about this (with the dev scene being an fun bonus). However you have got to recognise that for just about everyones else (and I'm not exagerrating here) it's for piracy.

It would actually be interesting to see what the euro market would behave if mods were banned actually. maybe we'd see households on enthusiast with *3* of the same systems!! (I can see a lobby to ban imports outright if that happens and becomes a problem).
 
oi said:
Mod-chips will enable you to play imported games, a must for Europeans who want to play games like Xenosaga, .hack and numerous other games that either take ages to get to Europe or doesn't get released at all. That's enough reason for me to not want them banned.

Buy an american ps2. Simple and not that much more expensive.

Modchip -> Less sales -> Less games...

If you want more rpgs to be released in Europe, buy more rpgs..simple.
 
Actually, buying an american PS2 would be make me pay about 4x more plus shipment, and I'd need a voltage converter on top of that. And yes, me as an individual obviously can affect the sales a whole lot. I'll remember to buy a million copies when FFX-2 gets released.
 
The RPG issue is really pissing me off. It's not like they're giving Europeans (and UK) gamers much of a chance to "prove" they like RPGs. If they don't release the flipping thing, how can we "prove ourselves" as RPG-lovers if we get the titles one year after they've been released in other territories, most of the time badly PAL-converted, and yes, I'm talking to you Square (Enix). As much as i love you, sort yourselves out!

Really, if Americans get Japanese-RPGs i don't see why Europeans shouldn't.

Much worse material gets released over here, why not releasing great games, which are released in the US anyway.
 
jakershaker said:
oi said:
Mod-chips will enable you to play imported games, a must for Europeans who want to play games like Xenosaga, .hack and numerous other games that either take ages to get to Europe or doesn't get released at all. That's enough reason for me to not want them banned.

Buy an american ps2. Simple and not that much more expensive.

Modchip -> Less sales -> Less games...

If you want more rpgs to be released in Europe, buy more rpgs..simple.

I don't think so, how can we buy more rpgs if they don't fricken release the buggers? but yes if it came down to it I'd Import from the US and Japan.

HOWEVER since Modchips are more convinient, cost effective I don't see why I should give up the legitimate use of them.
 
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