Interview with Eoin Leyden of Creative Graphics

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Psikotiko

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Important things:

"We are currently evaluating both the regular and ultra versions of GeForceFX and will definitely bring one if not both to market early in the New Year. In fact, and here is a scoop for you, Creative is NVIDIA's sole pan-European launch partner this product"

"To be honest I know almost nothing about the 0.13 version of R300 so I don't know how the performance will come out. But I'll guess as follows … assume they can lift clock speed to 500MHz (same as NVIDIA) then they should increase real-world performance by a similar percentage couple that with new memory interface and I would say that they will be close to, if not faster than, GeForceFX."

"Clearly GeForceFX is a very expensive card. NVIDIA in the US say with will be $499 that’s means it will have a street price in the UK of £449-£499 … that’s a lot of money!"
 
Psikotiko said:
http://www.hardwarefusion.net/content/000116.php

Clearly GeForceFX is a very expensive card. NVIDIA in the US say with will be $499 that’s means it will have a street price in the UK of £449-£499 … that’s a lot of money!"
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ermm, no shit!

well, no way can I afford £499 for gfx card, that's for sure, I think I'll go ATI if that turns out to be true, I can pick up Radeon 9700 now for £250 so if gf fx is not 2x better as radeon 9700 - no way in hell will I pay that much for it!
 
Even if it were 2x faster or better(which it is not) $500 is a ridiculous price for a video card. I'd rather buy a new motherboard, memory and cpu and keep my R300.
A quick price check at compuplus.com:

ABIT AT7MAX2 Retail box = 144.00
512 MB PC2700 DDR = 150.00
Athlon XP 2400+ Retail box w/heat sink & fan(OEM is cheaper)= 185.00
Total = 479.00

They are doing the same thing as they did with the Geforce2 Ultra.
 
yeah, and I could never afford it, went from gts64 to geforce3 and skipped the gf2 ultra all together.
 
US$499, meaning it will retail in Australia for about $1099
Woohooo! Don't you just love competition. :rolleyes:
 
I cannot believe that Nvidia will actually price the cards that high.
That seems like a recipie to shoot themselves in the foot pretty seriously.
 
Has there been any definitive reports on the range of NV30-based cards? I don't think it is impossible nor improbable for a $500 "top-of-the-range" GeForceFX card... it's the rest of the range that is more important (i.e. for NVIDIA to not "shooting themselves in the foot" with a single $500 NV30 SKU).
 
You think you're in for an expensive treat...

The Radeon 9700 Pro is still ~500+ USD here.
We're probably looking at a 700+ US dollar videocard for us Swedes... :rolleyes:
 
Reverend said:
Has there been any definitive reports on the range of NV30-based cards? I don't think it is impossible nor improbable for a $500 "top-of-the-range" GeForceFX card... it's the rest of the range that is more important (i.e. for NVIDIA to not "shooting themselves in the foot" with a single $500 NV30 SKU).
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All reports including statements from Creative and Sparkle indicate two cards.
One "standard" and one "ultra".

If the standard version truly has a 400 Mhz core and 900 MHz memory that someone implied then it should be very close to 9700 Pro in terms of performance me thinks..(?)
So it better have a more sane pricetag than 500 USD ;)
 
As for the mid end and the "high low end" segments from what I've understood while speaking to some third party manufacturers (Albatron and Gainward in this case) the GF 4 Ti with AGP 8x will "take over".

With a Radeon 9500 Pro for en equal or less amount of money than a Ti4800/Ti4600 with AGP 8x I see no reason for going nVidia 1H 2003 unless you're aiming for the ultra version of GF FX and that's assuming R350 doesn't kick its ass or performs similair at a cheaper price (and IMHO one of those two options seem likely).
Not to mention that nVidia are STILL one generation behind now not only in the low end segment but also in the mid end and with the 9500 Mobility their one generation behind within the mobile segment too.

And with Radeon 9000/8500 for as low as 65 bucks who wants a GF MX?

Depending on how Radeon 9500 Pro Mobility turns out it looks to me as if ATi will dominate pretty badly. (Though perhaps not in sales since GeForce is still a stronger brand name.)

Well we'll see soon enough. :)

Perhaps I'm turning fa'nboy here but to me it seems like nVidia will only have the sub $50 segment and perhaps the high end segment (at least for a month or two).

And with ATi gaining better support amongst third party manufacturers like Visiontek and ELSA, Hercules, Gigabyte and other big names it seems like ATi can really bring home the bacon if the media/press is with them and their marketing department handles it well.

Sorry for going off topic. And please before you dismiss it as fanboyism take a closer look. :)

EDIT: lol whats up with not allowing the word fanbo'y here?
 
Ante P said:
You think you're in for an expensive treat...

The Radeon 9700 Pro is still ~500+ USD here.
We're probably looking at a 700+ US dollar videocard for us Swedes... :rolleyes:
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~450euros for the far south of our continent, with the Sapphire 9700 (non-PRO) being at ~350euros (all before taxes). I don't dare to make any predictions for european FX pricing schemes, nor final availability.
 
Hi,

Just a few observations I have...

Eoin Leyden says

"To be honest I know almost nothing about the 0.13 version of R300 so I don't know how the performance will come out. But I'll guess as follows … assume they can lift clock speed to 500MHz (same as NVIDIA) then they should increase real-world performance by a similar percentage couple that with new memory interface and I would say that they will be close to, if not faster than, GeForceFX. "

Eoin Leyden doesn't know how the performance of the .13 R300 will "come out", but makes a guess, using a 500Mhz R300 as an example, that will come close, if not better the NV30.

Perhaps he is talking about a part that outperforms the current Radeon 9700 Pro by around a third, from his experience.

nVIDIA by really pushing "Cinematic" graphics with the Dawn and Ogre demos, are making the GeForce FX brand as recognisable and consumable as they can, scoring a fillip in the industry.

(ATi gave us a nice car demo with purportedly I8NV30 number plates :) )

From what I've seen of ATi, there's a little bit of silicon envy, but probably because nVIDIA P.R and silicon are just a notch above theirs.

But I could be completely off the mark. :D

What I'm curious about is how soon the mainstream NV30 derivatives come along after the NV30 release (with performance along side the 9700 Pro, but features beyond), and how cheap current ATi DX9 products become.

Features or price anyone?

Cheers.
 
The 9500pro sells now at $163us(pricewatch) It can also be overclocked to over 300/300(rage3d). Not a bad deal compared to $210 gf4 4600 and even bit faster in aa/af mode. I'm really hoping Nvidia can put something competitive to 9500pro pricewise because that's where my budget is. I'm not a believer in high end cards, the best bang for the buck is not there for me. Also, by the time I buy new hw, it is well matured and many bugs are fixed.
 
Ante P said:
You think you're in for an expensive treat...

The Radeon 9700 Pro is still ~500+ USD here.
We're probably looking at a 700+ US dollar videocard for us Swedes... :rolleyes:
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last time i checked, the 9700 pro can be had for under 300 american dollars
 
Actually, that was probably one of the most 'honest' interviews I've read. He didn't try any FUD about ATI products and was pretty honest about everything else - well done that man. Gold Star.

If they seriously expect anyone to buy a £ 499 card, they must be joking - that's around US $ 800 at current exchange rates! :eek:

Doesn't worry me, though, as I recently replaced my Kyro2 with a cheap GF3Ti200. That should keep me going nicely until good-performing DX9 chips are priced around the same level!
 
this choking on rumoured MSRP-s can be heard every single time when new high-end products are set to hit the market.
"Too expensive" has been said for the whole range of 300$-600$ launch prices. The thing is, launch price doesnt matter, the price will adjust itself very quickly accroding to simple supply/demand laws
If nvidia has run initial batch of about 1000 chips only, im sure all of those would find buyers even if those boards were sold at 1000$
 
Ante P said:
You think you're in for an expensive treat...

The Radeon 9700 Pro is still ~500+ USD here.
We're probably looking at a 700+ US dollar videocard for us Swedes... :rolleyes:
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Have you tried asking a UK supplier like Dabs or Scan if they will ship abroad? I can't imagine it would add that much to the cost - UK->US shipment for a video board is only about 30 quid.

I'd definitely suggest it to Scan. The boss there is a _really_ canny businessman and if he sees an opportunity to sell into Europe he will jump at the chance...
 
"There are 9700 Pro cards for 3990 SEK and vanilla 9700 for 2979 SEK. ( http://godmode.campus.luth.se/"
Yes 4000/8 = 500 USD

edit: oh just realized the dollar isn't 8 sek, oh well 450 bucks then (for the 9700 Pro)
most stores still carry them for 4200 sek or more though

"last time i checked, the 9700 pro can be had for under 300 american dollars "
Please show me where I can buy a 9700 Pro for 2600 sek :D
I'm pretty sure people will be sending me fan fail if I spread such a link hehe

"Have you tried asking a UK supplier like Dabs or Scan if they will ship abroad? I can't imagine it would add that much to the cost - UK->US shipment for a video board is only about 30 quid."
I get my stuff for free so prices doesn't really effect me that much. ;)
But thanks for the tip anyway!
 
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