Intel ARC GPUs, Xe Architecture for dGPUs [2018-2022]

[Flappy Pannus]

406mm^2 die for $329 elmao.
Jesus, that's sour.

Well it's not like they're paying TMSC here. They also have a realistic outlook on where they are in the market.

I assume that's the 8GB version of course, I'm curious what the 16GB version will cost.

Now all we need are competent drivers to actually make Nvidia/AMD give a shit.

 

[Flappy Pannus]

Moores Law is Dead doing MLID things

https://twitter.com/x/status/1574805481008156681

 

[Jay]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1574795728068567041

Puts A770 right against 3060 and 6600, at least going off MSRPs (which may not be actual prices for the latter two right now).

I just done a quick Google and newegg cheapest 3060 is $380.
So at that price bracket a $50 difference sounds relatively big, especially when you consider it falls between a 3060 and 3060ti performance wise. (small print application dependent)

 

[Bondrewd]

Well it's not like they're paying TMSC here

They are, it's on TSMC N6.

I'm curious what the 16GB version will cost.

329 is for 16GB one iirc.

to actually make Nvidia/AMD give a shit.

Raw PPA delta means Intel makes no or negative money on those things.
AMD or NV can just wait out.

 

[Flappy Pannus]

They are, it's on TSMC N6.

Oh damn. Ok they may indeed be taking a bath on these.

329 is for 16GB one iirc.

Hmm.

There will be an 8GB and 16GB version . If the 16GB version was $329 then it doesn't make sense to use the "Starting at" framing when that's the top tier in that class. They would have more likely said "Starting at sub $300" for the 8GB version if the 16GB was $329.

 

[Bondrewd]

Ok they may indeed be taking a bath on these.

The funne part is whenever N33 launches and shreds this thing while being ~half the area iso node.

There will be an 8GB and 16GB version . If the 16GB version was $329 then it doesn't make sense to use the "Starting at" framing when that's the top tier in that class. They would have more likely said "Starting at sub $300" for the 8GB version if the 16GB was $329.

Everyone tends to market the top SKU first to gotta assume it's 329 for 16GB one.
Makes for a real nice SYCL/oneAPI (same shit anyway) stick, terribad for gaming tho.

 

[Flappy Pannus]

Everyone tends to market the top SKU first to gotta assume it's 329 for 16GB one.
Makes for a real nice SYCL/oneAPI (same shit anyway) stick, terribad for gaming tho.

Of course they trumpet the top SKU, but it makes no sense to use a marketing term of "Starting at" which has the express purpose of using the lowest possible price configuration, especially when Intel emphasized their value angle. If there's a cheaper version they would love to be able to claim a sub $300 starting price.

 

[neckthrough]

They are, it's on TSMC N6.

329 is for 16GB one iirc.

Raw PPA delta means Intel makes no or negative money on those things.

Let's see, $329, minus retail + distribution margins, minus board assembly/test costs, minus ~$100 GDDR, minus BOM for PCB, cooler, caps, plastic connectors etc.

If it were on internal 10nm the numbers would be more fuzzy but on TSMC N6? Either TSMC gave them a sweet deal (out of pity? irony?) or this is another "contra-revenue" scenario. Which may be a fine strategy for Intel since they have nothing to lose. They have undercut competition in the past simply to bankrupt them even it it meant tolerating some internal hemorrhaging. But the strategy doesn't always work (tablets). That was BK though, and this is Gelsinger. There's a huge difference. Gelsinger has his head screwed on right.

 

[Putas]

Since other vendors don't have much interest I am quite glad Intel provides modern low and mid-range accelerators. Even if they do so involuntarily.

 

[PSman1700]

Seems like the mainstraim/average gamer will be in a good position imo, just over 300usd for close to 3060Ti performance which is above console, with RT/AI way above that.

 

[Flappy Pannus]

Since other vendors don't have much interest I am quite glad Intel provides modern low and mid-range accelerators. Even if they do so involuntarily.

Hence why anyone who's remotely interested in PC gaming should be rooting for them to succeed. Whether they can or not wrt driver quality is the question.

 

[PSman1700]

Hence why anyone who's remotely interested in PC gaming should be rooting for them to succeed. Whether they can or not wrt driver quality is the question.

Theres AMD too. Their new zen4 CPU's havent gone up in mrsp (even 100usd below?) vs Zen3 while offering quite a substantional performance increase, aswell as a lower powerdraw compared to alder lake. They could be doing the same thigns with their RDNA3+ gpus next month.

 

[JoeJ]

Jesus, that's sour.

Saving a gaming platform from extinction isn't cheap.
May it be a good long time investment for Intel. They deserve it.

Preorder of R.I.P. Deathinition Pro canceled. : )

 

[DegustatoR]

Seems like the mainstraim/average gamer will be in a good position imo, just over 300usd for close to 3060Ti performance which is above console, with RT/AI way above that.

I have my doubts about A770 being close to 3060Ti performance.

 

[Pinstripe]

I wouldn't buy this thing for a 100 bucks given the catastrophic state of Intel drivers and other numerous software shortcomings.

 

[PSman1700]

Saving a gaming platform from extinction isn't cheap.
May it be a good long time investment for Intel. They deserve it.

Preorder of R.I.P. Deathinition Pro canceled. : )

I doubt Intel is intrested in the low-margin console space. That platform can die off for good indeed.

 

[JoeJ]

I doubt Intel is intrested in the low-margin console space. That platform can die off for good indeed.

Does that meant you think 'midrange PC gamer' == console gamer?
You are such a platform racist! ;p

 

[Frenetic Pony]

They are, it's on TSMC N6.

329 is for 16GB one iirc.

Raw PPA delta means Intel makes no or negative money on those things.
AMD or NV can just wait out.

I like that Intel is including a 16gb version on the low end. As expensive as GDDR is there's people for whom "console settings" are good enough, and AMD/Nvidia's general hope to keep lower tier cards limited in ram (3060 12gb aside) to push people to higher margin products is icky. Would love to see 16gb options for 7600/4060. Competition!

 

[Bondrewd]

Would love to see 16gb options for 7600/4060

Clamshells are kinda impractical.

 

[psurge]

Is there a large jump in wafer pricing when moving from n6 to n5?