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I would just like to say thank you Ty and rabidrabbit for telling the truth.
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InPhase Holodisks showing up HD-DVD and BR
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Hrm... I suppose this would have been a better place to stick my comment, but you can all read it in the huge HD-DVD/BR thread. ^_^
http://www.inphase-technologies.com/news/terabyte_benchmark.html
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mckmas8808
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Gotta love that Blu-Ray. I think overall the Blu-ray disc is better than HVD and HD-DVD for today's use.
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Come one when is anything ever enough ? Bluray may be the best cost to storage ratio right now (though it may go to hd-dvd who knows) but we can allways use higher bitrates + higher res .
WHo is to say in 2010 some tv makers wont try to up the res again to increase thier sales ?
Personaly i feel that if they came out with a terabyte disc instead of a dvd player back in the day they would have found ways to fill up that room .
They will find ways to fill up hd-dvd and bluray and they will find ways to fill up a 100 gig bluray disc and a year after they do we will be saying how could we have lived with out this .
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Your perfectly correct jvd. I have been trying to say that for years. We need the extra space. But one terabyte today would be overkill. But in 2 to 3 years from now who knows. :?
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mckmas8808 said:
Even 2 or 3 years from now it would be overkill. In the consumer world at least.
There is NOTHING that we use today that uses even a fraction if 1TB. Hard drives are stuck at 200GB stage today, the biggest being 400GB i think, and they don't get filled up easily either...
no they aren't over kill right now , that is where we disagree.
THe only reason why people claim they are overkill is because of the price.
IF you could walk into a store and get a 1tb disc format like a bluray next year you would find ways to fill it . higher bit rates , higher reses , more features two versions of the film (orignal and directors cut )
Imagine buying almost famous untitled and getting untitled and almost famous on one disc in 1080p at 10 x the bit rate of bluray and a crap load of extras like the making of it and then the behind the scenes e story on cameron crow , kate hudson and the rest of the cast .
I'm telling you , they would easily find ways to fill it and once they do we will be scratching our heads saying how could we have settled for bluray .
Right now i have about 1.2 terabytes of porno that i would love to have on one disc instead of i guess 200 dvds i dunno its about 2 100 dvd spinds full mabye more . or i guess 40 bluray discs
THe only reason why people claim they are overkill is because of the price.
IF you could walk into a store and get a 1tb disc format like a bluray next year you would find ways to fill it . higher bit rates , higher reses , more features two versions of the film (orignal and directors cut )
Imagine buying almost famous untitled and getting untitled and almost famous on one disc in 1080p at 10 x the bit rate of bluray and a crap load of extras like the making of it and then the behind the scenes e story on cameron crow , kate hudson and the rest of the cast .
I'm telling you , they would easily find ways to fill it and once they do we will be scratching our heads saying how could we have settled for bluray .
Right now i have about 1.2 terabytes of porno that i would love to have on one disc instead of i guess 200 dvds i dunno its about 2 100 dvd spinds full mabye more . or i guess 40 bluray discs
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Yes jvd, that's YOU.
Now, does your situation reflect everyone else's situation? Or even the average? I really think not.
I'm sure there are alot of people who can easily fill up multiple bluray discs .
I know casual users who when i told them to put in a 120 gig drive and spend the extra 40$ over the 60 gig drive they said htey couldn't imagine filling it up , me forcing them to buy the 120 and a few months down the line they were asking me if htey could put in a second drive.
If you have the room you find ways to fill it , esp with fio and other next gen broadband coming out starting this year hardrives will get filled up faster .
good news is april of this year u can but 1tb of hardrive space for 450$ in 2003 it would have cost u 1k in the same month ...
jvd said:
Yes jvd, i also have a lot of... stuff... that i'd love to have on one single disc. But i am also an extreme case.
Most people do not have that much stuff to put in one disc, unless they want to re-burn all their DVD collection on one disc, for some perverted reason...
To most people, 1TB next year will be too much.
To me and you, and a few others, it will be nice and comfortable though.
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Well, the thing is, think about it, even you, big porn freak, after you burn your 1TB of porn on one disc, what u gonna do? I mean, are you gonna get a Homodisc (or whatever it's called) writer to burn one disc? Then what?
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The comment I have is do you really want to put everything you have ever save in your life on one disk? I know I wouldn't. What happens if big old grandma sits down on the couch a breaks that one disc that took had 10 years worth of porn on it. I would go through a range of emotions 
then then Maybe 5 to 10 discs but not one.
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see that is the thing . I'm stuck . I don't download more porn cause i already have so many dvds is disorginized i mean come on its like 212 dvds . its nuts to keep track of . even on bluray it would be alot .
Its the same reason why you claim people don't fill up thier hardrive. Because when you know you only have so much room you work around that fact. Me i just burn like mad and keep them for when i can put them on less discs . But you don't know how many times i hear my friends say they reformated one of thier drives with morpheus on it because it had filled up and they only have an 80 gig hardrive .
I told them to start backing up on dvds and they said it takes to many .
Now 80 gigs is only 2 dual layer bluray discs or i guess 1 dual layer and 1 single layer . But at the same time that person will not have used up those discs and have the 80 gigs to download more to thus having them end up having more stuff to store since there is now the room. Same thing happens when they buy a new pc with a 180 gig drive in it next year when they upgrade . now they have say 120 gigs of room to just download and you know they will fill it upand once they get accustom to the 120 gigs instead of the 80 gigs they will be back at the point where they have to get rid of things because they are out of room
In addition to HVD devices, I'm sure they'd like to sell the blank HVD discs too.
With 1Terabyte of storage on a disc, it is very possible you'd only ever need one or two of those discs.
That would put the price of a writeble HVD discs quite high if it were released for mass market in a couple of years.
10 years from now, it'll likely be different.
HVD might find a place in firms as a mass backup storage (though there are already better solutions) and some PC hobbyists.
With 1Terabyte of storage on a disc, it is very possible you'd only ever need one or two of those discs.
That would put the price of a writeble HVD discs quite high if it were released for mass market in a couple of years.
10 years from now, it'll likely be different.
HVD might find a place in firms as a mass backup storage (though there are already better solutions) and some PC hobbyists.
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I totally agree, in a perfect world we would always get what we want (infinite).
But for the here and now (well reasonably), between HD-DVD and BR, I know which would suit me better. Frankly it's going to suck if I get a 1080p TV and find that my movies look like crap.
Yes, but keep in mind Hollywood doesn't WANT to include all that. They want you to buy the movie when it comes out on DVD, they want you to buy it again a year+ later when there's a special edition or director's cut, they aren't going to want to include more TV episodes on the disks because they want you to buy the disks individually too... There is also only so much extra content they can or want to throw on a disk, so I don't see them adding 1000% more simply because they have room.jvd said:
Since their business plan isn't likely to change, the only real question to ask is "can HD-DVD and Blu-Ray present current content at the maximum desired quality levels with some headroom?" Going way above that serves no purpose until the quality level (going past 1080, basically. So, you know, a LONG time down the road) forces enough past existing technology to force that switch.
...or do you think they they'll really embrace the conversion to ANOTHER new technology to put all their TV shows and all their movie versions on a single disk when almost all interest in said shows and movies have run out and ALL they care about anymore is saving money?
As I said in the other thread, HVD's future would seem to be in data storage and other PC duties, but Hollywood and current media/gaming houses are falling in line behind BR and HD-DVD, so I wouldn't expect them to budge for a LONG, long time until we get a similar quality move from High Definition to whatever lies beyond. (We'll see a few HQ versions of existing here and there, but likely with no more impact than SVHS, SACD, and such. HVD might try there as well, but I don't see it picking up in the mainstream.) If HVD can get a decent recorder out for mass-market prices they could also hop into that market, but that ALSO does not mean Hollywood media will go their way, or that they'd succeed any more than the HD-recorders that are soon to roll out.
In the current market HVD is not necessary and has missed the push to a next generation format, so it really has to find another arena to succeed in. Until HD-DVD or BR are thoroughily trounced by a move that is desired at all costs (which I can't see) or HVD proves itself to be far cheaper than either of them cost-wise in the long run (which I also can't see), it is simply going to have to market itself elsewhere, continue to develop, and try to be the best option in the NEXT next generation.
Supposedly the studios are interested in providing extra content via the Internet, either downloaded or streamed.
No word on whether this would be included with the purchase of the disc or if it would cost more.
No word on how long they would maintain servers to feed this extra content.
No word on whether this would be included with the purchase of the disc or if it would cost more.
No word on how long they would maintain servers to feed this extra content.
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