How's this for an idea?

rabidrabbit said:
The same could be said for that xbox "media center extender" kit that MS released for the xbox.
Did that really take off? Then why did MS bother building the feature in xbox360??

Media center extender is much diffrent than linux .

Media center will just let u play back files stored on your media center pc . There is no additional software required . You just connect your xbox 360 to your network and stream what you want .

There is a huge diffrence between that and replacing a pc .
 
jvd said:
and what gives you the impresion that the ps3 version will be any diffrent
Sorry, I forgot to clarify that my PS2 is inded in my livingroom, connected to a crappy old 52" tube rear projection tv that really isn't suitable for small fonts a computer use would require.
When I upgrade to High Definition (am looking at the Panasonic AE900 projector) things will be different and I'll be able to use a computer in my livingroom. Also I hadn't a network connection in my livingroom until recently.
Media center extender is much diffrent than linux .

Media center will just let u play back files stored on your media center pc . There is no additional software required . You just connect your xbox 360 to your network and stream what you want .

There is a huge diffrence between that and replacing a pc .
No, I meant that the xbox mce and PS2 linux are just tesbeds, there's little reason to expect the future based on them. First you should remember the PS2 Linux kit was hardly marketed at all, and only sold via web.
Well, to be honest I don't think they'd sold that well even if marketed... because there was not yet a market big enough for them... like net connectivity before, there hasn't always been a big enough market for these new things for them to be marketed extensively or expected to sell huge.
 
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Actually I'm a bit surprised the xbox media center extender wasn't even sold here. I think that would actually sold quite well if marketed more.

Did Microsoft even want it to sell?
Did they rather that the media center thing would remain a big selling point for xbox360, if everybody already bought such feature for xbox that would've diluted ther impact of that feature in xbox360.
 
Sorry, I forgot to clarify that my PS2 is inded in my livingroom, connected to a crappy old 52" tube rear projection tv that really isn't suitable for small fonts a computer use would require.
When I upgrade to High Definition (am looking at the Panasonic AE900 projector) things will be different and I'll be able to use a computer in my livingroom. Also I hadn't a network connection in my livingroom until recently.


Yea i don't think even a high def screen is going to be good for surfing the web . A screen that big your going to be pretty far away. We don't use the pc on the tv for surfing the web just for that reason even though its hd


No, I meant that the xbox mce and PS2 linux are just tesbeds, there's little reason to expect the future based on them. First you should remember the PS2 Linux kit was hardly marketed at all, and only sold via web.
Well, to be honest I don't think they'd sold that well even if marketed... because there was not yet a market big enough for them... like net connectivity before, there hasn't always been a big enough market for these new things for them to be marketed extensively or expected to sell huge.

I think u will find the linux will allways be a test bed. As for mce i think u will see it wont be big for a long time if ever . Though if either has a hcance of making headway i'd go with mce
 
jvd said:
Yea i don't think even a high def screen is going to be good for surfing the web . A screen that big your going to be pretty far away. We don't use the pc on the tv for surfing the web just for that reason even though its hd
I have no urge to touch the pictures the web shows me :D
 
I don't think they want to release a PC, I think they want to release a "computer". I think they see the way people in the home use computers changing, a shift away from PCs, perhaps. Well, it's already happening really, in some respects. I don't think they're really doing it via Linux either, at least not this time around, since it won't be standard. But the main OS is likely to take on more PC-like functionality, crucially browsing the internet. That in itself is not enough in the short term to supplant the PC entirely, but in the longer term..perhaps. There may come a point where all you need is a box that lets you connect to the internet..I think that's a vision that Google has to a point, and it's something that Sony has an eye on with distributed applications. For example, if Google ever put Office apps online as is often rumoured, any machine with access to the internet could be used to access that - including through a standard PS3 browser. So I think Sony may be positioning themselves toward that kind of thing - software running off the network - with more functionality also running locally for the time being - things they think matter more particularly from an entertainment/communications point of view (as shown in that "convergence" slide from Kutaragi's speech - HD streams, movies, games, video communications, web browsing etc.), things they think are important to a "home user".
 
I believe they'l be using the "Cross Bar" interface as seen in PSX and PSP as the main interface. That itself would make it much more simple than a Windows based PC, also that would likely limit to how much you can choose what to install yourself.
Or maybe the cross bar interface is something like what comes from the Windows "Start" button, a quick launch for your media and such, and there's also be some icon based "traditional" desktop.
Anyway, I don't think it'll be some Linux KDE or other gui, but something Sony and maybe IBM built on top of the Linux themselves.
Hmmm.. I think I'll browse some old IBM OS/2 info just for the nostalygy of it...
 
Guys, you're still forgetting an important thing - average users haven't switched to Linux on the PC yet. Linux has totally failed to get a foothold beyond the hardcore audience, and a few industries (like movie VFX), and it's not just about MS being successful in its fight against the penguin. People don't want Linux and that's it. Even if the PS3 would be freely equipped with it on the harddrive, 99% of the users wouldn't even check it out...

And it's still only the first obstacle, then there'd be all the problems that JVD mentioned. I understand that you're excited about this, but there's no chance for Sony to succeed here.
 
You`re right, I don`t really want to get into Linux on PC (my last experience is from 1999 or so - though I`m sure it has improved a lot).
But I could well imagine a version of Games Knoppix on PS3, because it would be ideal for a console with all the games included and the ability to boot from a DVD.So you wouldn`t even need a hd for smaller apps.
 
If Sony supplied a neat bundled package of a Linux with a nice professional looking WIMP interface, OpenOffice, Firefox, GIMP and maybe Blender, with the harddisc or made it available for download, that would be basically free to them except for the design of the GUI shell.
That bundle would cover the vast majority of a private persons software needs.

I can't see how that could go wrong in any way.
If anything it would be the first small step in the direction of making Playstation/Cell a general computing platform.
 
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_phil_ said:
A PC is ovekill and over complicated for a majority of people's need.
If sony can make it so a good user friendly GUI is built on a cell pc (fixed plateform,btw) with the base app needed for what most people get a pc for,and the ablility to use that from their livingroom, then i'd bet they' ll win a big chunk of MS business.
The point is not to attack PC front and console front as 2 different markets ,but to create a third one in the living room.


true. other than the pc most dont know or carewhat os is driving their electronics.
 
Certainly no-one is expecting the PS3 to replace Windows based computers just overnight, I don't think even PS4 or PS5 will be able to do that, but if implemented succesfully, it has a chance to become the livingroom, entertainment media personal computer.
 
Laa-Yosh said:
Guys, you're still forgetting an important thing - average users haven't switched to Linux on the PC yet. Linux has totally failed to get a foothold beyond the hardcore audience, and a few industries (like movie VFX), and it's not just about MS being successful in its fight against the penguin. People don't want Linux and that's it. Even if the PS3 would be freely equipped with it on the harddrive, 99% of the users wouldn't even check it out...

And it's still only the first obstacle, then there'd be all the problems that JVD mentioned. I understand that you're excited about this, but there's no chance for Sony to succeed here.

I don't know - I think if it came free and suddenly you had a new option on the simple crossbar menu, users would check it out. After that it's just a matter of whether the appeal and user-friendliness of the OS is enough for word of mouth to take over and for it to become a selling point in and of itself.

I don't think Windows is under siege here by any stretch, but any sort of convergence device is something I'm all about.

And I think another barrier to entry for Linux has been that most Windows users simply will not give it a chance; it's unfamiliar. If it comes free on the hard drive with a cool GUI, people will at least play with it once or twice, and it could make an impression on some.

Anyway I think the language 'no chance for Sony to succeed here' is a little too strong. What would one define success as in this regard? On the contrary I think there's a good chance Sony succeeds here - judging success as simply getting 'computer' functionality into a number of PS3's out there.
 
What a Cell processor lacks in 'general purpose' out-of-order functionality, I don't think most people will notice in general PC use. General PC consists of Internet, Word, Games, Sound and movies, digital photograhy+printing. If PS3 could do these things well and cheaply, I'd likely use it. But I'd want a totally different interface. Computers as they are are far too complicated for simple uses IMO. Heck, my mum can't even work a DVD menu effectively! They want the ability to click on an object and use it without having to worry about whether it's a file, program, which codec is needed, etc. If Sony pull that off they'll find a lot of fans in the computer illiterate.
 
Squeak said:
that would be basically free to them except for the design of the GUI shell.

No, it would cost them a lot in manpower. Put the bundle together, put it on the harddrive, test if it works, provide customer support - and who would pay for it? Linux had a lot of time to succeed on the PC, but it failed to do so. Tell me, why would anyone get interested in it just because it runs on a PS3? Just how many people do you know that use Linux, even as a secondary OS? Personally, I have noone to mention, except for Version, and I only 'know' him through the net anyway. And if people don't need the performance of the PS3, why would they then spend who knows how much on it, if they can get a cheap PC well under $1000?
And just where should you keep it? Would you move it into your study, on your desk - and play console games from there, instead of your couch in the living room? Or do word processing and video editing in front of your TV with the keyboard in your lap?

No, I don't think that Sony would want to turn the PS3 into a personal computer. It just defeats the purpose of being a console... Rather, they should try to enhance its funcionality in new, innovative ways, like MS tries it through the X360's dashboard.
 
This is on the side but semi-related to the topic at hand. CNet is reporting today that Google is dedicating some staff to OpenOffice in order to improve it further and reduce the size of it's memory footprint.

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There are people looking to Sony for a full OS solution??? before we even get to Windows, Sony has to start making software that is not buggy propertiary pos today.

PS3 Linux PC for the masses? No way. Kutaragi doesn't even speak with conviction for the kit. Linux-HDD will be like PS2 one. servicing a small number of cybergeeks is easier on the pocket.

PS3 will not harm the productivity of a PC. PS3 "PC" is the XMB shell.

..remains to be seen how XMB will stack up to MCE PC.
 
IBM's the one building out the Cell-Linux, and they're already nearing the end game on that is the word on the street.

There's a good interview on this board buried somewhere with one of the programmers working on the Linux for Cell project, but I don't have the energy to find and rpovide the link right now.

I agree though that I could see the whole thing falling through the cracks, though I honestly hope they stick with the full Linux on every HDD track they mentioned before.
 
IBM Cell Linux is likely for industrial purposes, when it manages to get out from the labs.

If MS and Windows is bad, I wouldn't want to count on Sony updating my PS3 PC Linux content..

PS3 PC Linux for the masses is a pipedream. There are no gains for Sony.
 
xbdestroya said:
I agree though that I could see the whole thing falling through the cracks, though I honestly hope they stick with the full Linux on every HDD track they mentioned before.
Not usre I'd want FULL Linux. A Linux kernal based sub-set OS that just covers the 90% workload of mainstream PC usage would be fine.
 
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