How's this for an idea?
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Why on earth would Mr Joe Public want a Ps3Pc when they can get a cheap as chips budget pc, that'll run all the things they want it to run off the shelves.
Mr Joe Public wouldnt give 2 hoots about it, while at the same time Sony would be deeper into the debt that they already are in.
Mr Joe Public wouldnt give 2 hoots about it, while at the same time Sony would be deeper into the debt that they already are in.
Hey sorry Paranoia, it's hard when you just post in the middle of the thread without context. 
Yes I agree with you though, Sony plunging the PS3 directly into the PC market doesn't make much sense. It has to come from a different angle if it is to have any impact. I do think the Amiga-style angle is a good one though, whatever the impact.
Yes I agree with you though, Sony plunging the PS3 directly into the PC market doesn't make much sense. It has to come from a different angle if it is to have any impact. I do think the Amiga-style angle is a good one though, whatever the impact.
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ims said:
The PS2 over its lifetime is nearing 100 Million sales. Now you figure that many sales of the PS3 (over its lifetime) or anything near it and a large chunk with the HDD pre loaded with Linux. That could be Sonys way of breaking into the Market. It would be at no cost to Sony since pre loading Linux should be free.
Why? Linux has hella lot of Open Source freeware. Open Office, Firefox, Thunderbird, Gimp, Blender, all for free off the net if they have PPC-Linux ports. You can even run MS Office on WINE. For games, if it can run PS3 games it's more than enough I suppose.Powderkeg said:
PS3 PC will be an Amiga-like machine for enthusiasts who are ready to pay for fun, no corporate manager will purchse PS3 for his/her office.
Alpha_Spartan said:
Why would anyone care what Steve Jobs has to say?
He's the guy who's company accounted for 4% of IBM's chip business and tried to play hardball over a mobile 970 design and pricing and got his ass dumped onto the Intel processor roadmap train-wreck. Cell is no longer an option for Apple. No matter how long they have been setting up their OS to leverage future chips with massive parallel computational power - like, oh, Cell..
The idea was to have a PC that can play PS3 games. The trouble with most PC's nowadays isn't there ability to run software. Hell i'm running all my engineering software on a Athlon XP 1800. It's games that gives my PC problems.
All the PS3PC needs to be is just a PS3 with a big hard drive, obviously more ram, and just a monitor, keybourd and mouse. Nothing else and nothing more. Since it already runs linux, there'd be more than enough software.
I think the main problem comes into play when you consider customer support. Virus and people messing up their system will definitly arise. Additionally one can never underestimate the power of videogames pirates that will have a field day over any system like this.
But the basic idea is just to have a PS3/PC in your bedroom. You can surf the net, use star office, mozilla, winamp etc......that's everything most people do.
Sony should be able to sell a system like this with an included widecsreen HD LCD for $999 easily.
It'd make a very interesting product.
All the PS3PC needs to be is just a PS3 with a big hard drive, obviously more ram, and just a monitor, keybourd and mouse. Nothing else and nothing more. Since it already runs linux, there'd be more than enough software.
I think the main problem comes into play when you consider customer support. Virus and people messing up their system will definitly arise. Additionally one can never underestimate the power of videogames pirates that will have a field day over any system like this.
But the basic idea is just to have a PS3/PC in your bedroom. You can surf the net, use star office, mozilla, winamp etc......that's everything most people do.
Sony should be able to sell a system like this with an included widecsreen HD LCD for $999 easily.
It'd make a very interesting product.
Rajeev as you can perhaps tell, I'm a big believer in the PS3's potential in the PC app space, and really feel that Linux on PS3 could catch on at a certain level.
But what you're talking about is just too extreme. To go with an integrated LCD (a la iMac) and rework the motherboard just to allow for more XDR RAM to be placed on it is asking for a money hole to be dug.
The PS3 will take the HD seperate, has *enough* RAM, will accept usb (and possibly bluetooth) keyboards and mice, will display on monitors, and will display on HD TVs. Why create a standalone machne at much higher cost, that has marginal added utility?
And then pitch it to consumers in the computer aisles of stores? That smells like disaster to me.
As a consumer electronics device that can also function as your basic PC, PS3 has a lot of appeal.
As a PC that costs about what some mid-range PCs do, yet has an entirely different set of software support than the average PC shopper is used to, PS3 is really out of it's element. Playing PS3 games is really neither here nor there, and kind of leads us back to the first (and natural) option; a CE console that can fill in on a certain level as a PC if given the right peripherals.
But what you're talking about is just too extreme. To go with an integrated LCD (a la iMac) and rework the motherboard just to allow for more XDR RAM to be placed on it is asking for a money hole to be dug.
The PS3 will take the HD seperate, has *enough* RAM, will accept usb (and possibly bluetooth) keyboards and mice, will display on monitors, and will display on HD TVs. Why create a standalone machne at much higher cost, that has marginal added utility?
And then pitch it to consumers in the computer aisles of stores? That smells like disaster to me.
As a consumer electronics device that can also function as your basic PC, PS3 has a lot of appeal.
As a PC that costs about what some mid-range PCs do, yet has an entirely different set of software support than the average PC shopper is used to, PS3 is really out of it's element. Playing PS3 games is really neither here nor there, and kind of leads us back to the first (and natural) option; a CE console that can fill in on a certain level as a PC if given the right peripherals.
Sony and the Playstation brand are a very real threat to Windows. It's true there won't be as many applications for it compared to a Windows PC. But if their's one company that is not afraid to set new standards it's Sony. And with the advent of more HDTVs being sold that opens up an entirely new market. Alot of people would prefer being able to surf the net and do other general computer tasks from the couch. And I think it would be much more practical if they could simply get this functionality out of their already purchased PS3 than to try and connected a regular PC to the T.V. If marketed right I think this could be pretty huge. MS sees the threat aswell, otherwise there wouldn't have even been an Xbox. We need more competition in the OS market, so I support this.
sony should worry about keeping the console market . Since they are being attacked by ms there . I don't see them making many inroads in the pc market with the cell. People aren't going to abandon software investments and hardware investments because of a "wonder" chip that has yet to prove itself .
If cell was a threat to intel's userbase you would see them do something to brace for the impact. But they are doing nothing at the moment .
If cell was a threat to intel's userbase you would see them do something to brace for the impact. But they are doing nothing at the moment .
BlueTsunami said:
There are some very good Linux programs out there, but Linux isn't like Windows. It's not a "Plug and Play" type OS, and the PC software isn't written to work on the PS3 versions kernel. You would have to port Linux software to PS3 Linux software, but before that happens you'll have to prove there is even a demand for it.
There is a reason Apple is so far behind the PC, and there is even less of a demand for an unproven Linux based PS3 than there is a MAC.
jvd said:
To be underestimated is a common thing.
Of course CELL will not come in and turn the PC market on its head but the fact that a device is coming out that plays PS3 games that are comparable or even better then current top of the line PC games, where you can browse the net, edit texts, listen/watch various media and edit images (everything a regular user would do on his own Windows XP PC) should be deemed a threat. Doing all this on your 61" HDTV makes it all so much sweeter.
I agree that its still yet to prove itself. Also, how was the PS2s Linux Dev kit? How was the OS itself?
jvd said:
I would go as far as to say the Linux userbase is much larger than the Mac userbase. Linux is freely available on the net (for free, as I know you know already). Mac you need not only the hardware but you have to buy the OS itself. With that said, theres a HUGE programming base for Linux and I believe that PS3 (hopefully if its open) will probably get embraced by this base.
Powderkeg said:
As one stated, theres already software thats been ported over for PPC based systems. With that, it would just have to be optimised to be used on a CELL system. Also, I don't know what you mean about "Plug and Play"? Do you mean Software installation? If so, Linux has something called "Packages", think of them like executable installers for Windows. It basically installs the software with as little user input as possible. Some packages resolve dependencies (on libraries) by connecting to the net and downloading and installing what you need.
Linux has this bad stigma that its hard to use and theres no software for it. Its actually quite the opposite.
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BlueTsunami said:
Your under estimating what people are using thier pcs for now . Once it was just browsing the web but more and more they are using it for multimedia . Editing pictures , editing video , creating content of thier own .
As for ps3 games comparing to pc games. That may be true for the first year. But in that year once again pc hardware will advance just as it allways does and will leave ps3 graphics behind .
Not to mention we don't know how well a ps3 will handle going from a game to browsing the web to going to a game to editing a video or even multi tasking video and browsing at the same time .
These are things a normal pc user worrys about . These are things that is unknown how well the cell chip will handle it .
Not to mention people throwing out lots of software they invested in for this new platform .
jvd said:
Theres software under Linux for everything you've just stated.
Editing Pictures - Gimp
Editing Video - Cinelerra
Linux itself has basically almost a mirror images of software that is commonly used on the PC front. This is probably because the programmers that needed this stuff on Windows decided to create programs that would be comparable to those that are on Windows.
jvd said:
Yes, I agree with you on this but you have to ask yourself how many general PC gamers have 6600 (and comparable ATI card) and above at this point in time? Also, look at the Xbox and Farcry, DoomIII and Half Life 2. How do they look and compare to their PC counterparts? Thats from 3 year old hardware compared to current PCs.
jvd said:
I can't argue with you here because I don't know myself but not everyting should be Doom and Gloom (which you tend to bring up alot). Its as if you play devils advocate to everything CELL.
jvd said:
Yes, but with Linux they wouldn't have to re buy all that software they invested in. Also...using the PS3 as a PC doesn't mean they completley abandon XP and there former PC....its not like it vanishes...
Another serious question... what is it about the PS3 that makes you think people will use it for Linux (photo editing, video editing, web surfing etc) rather than their PC for Linux?
Most people with a PC choose not to use Linux, and prefer Windows. Two reasons I think they may use it on PS3 for anything more than minor use is:
Most people with a PC choose not to use Linux, and prefer Windows. Two reasons I think they may use it on PS3 for anything more than minor use is:
- They don't have a PC at all
- They don't have a choice about using Windows on the PS3, so they'll try it and like it.
Yup , how many window users own these programs .
Right basicly none . Which requires reinvesting in software . NOt only to learn linux but to learn the new apps and not only that but then a money issue with the reinvestment
as with everything people upgrade. A person who is looking to play games will upgrade the pc when they need too . 6600 cards are now sub 100$ when the ps3 launches you will most likely be able to get 6800 non ultra performance for 100$ or less .
As for those games there is a huge diffrence if you've ever spent time with the games in question .
And what do you do ? Your a cheerleader for cell in this thread. People are giving the positives . Why shouldn't someone give the negatives .
Not only that but 512 megs of ram is nothing for someone who is going edit video . HOwever that is the hardcap for the ps3 at this time . So even if the cell itself is grat for video editing its going to be handicaped by ram .
Also storage is a problem. In a normal pc you can hook up 3 harrives. U can get a 8meg cache 7500 rpm drive for about 120$ now not only that but the 4th drive can be a rewritable dvd drive / bluray drive / hd-dvd drive .
That is another advantage .
You would have to go to usb for these things on the ps3 which are more expensive and most of the time lower
Sure they will . If you buy a pc u get xp with office. Office isn't going to work on linux . You can run that emulation program but that will only cause slow downs .
THe average pc user doesn't have linux software or experiance with it .
This is the problem apple has . Windows has such a large installed base that virtualy all software is made for windows and so many people have invested in programs that run on that platform that it will be extremely hard for them to switch over .
Just think in 2007 what pcs will be like . Right now most 500$ pcs come with 512 megs of ram. In 2007 i would expect that minimum to be 1 gig at that price point . perhaps even 2gigs at the 1.5k mark along with writable drives and large hardrives .
The ps3 is a closed platform and will allways be limited by that as at some point the requirements will only increase . You don't believe it but if u get on a fast pc like a athlon 64 4000+ and comapre it to a athlon 64 3000+ you can see a huge diffrence in the way apps start up and in multitasking . The cell will be left behind quickly as dual cores move to the low end and tri and quad cores along with new cores come along .
Gah, this is the problem with arguing on a bunch of different point..it then branches into an indeffinate amount of other points that have to be given answers. I'll just say that we should agree to disagree. Linux to me can meet the demands a normal user would need (In my opinion).
jvd said:
What's the money-wise aspect of it?
On the side, the point is not that PS3 is going to take on the PC world, the point is that with a viable alternative that is free, it's not outlandish to think that the number of individuals using their consoles for basic PC functions will go from zero to something other than zero. Is that so crazy?
If the build has a good GUI, and offers basic functionality - I think we're good to go.
If PSP can have the homebrew community built around it that it does, for god's sake Linux on Cell should be able to go beyond that by an order of magnitude.
I should also add that the only reason I remain on Windows whatsoever is because I'm a PC gamer as well; if not for that I'd have dumped it long ago.
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