lol yup. haha... good things for those indies I guess.
How to sell next-gen consoles, Marketing, Positioning, and Pricing [2020]
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Hahaha, that was pathetic, I knew Microsoft had a bunch of out of touch "power execs!" running the show. But I expected at least one or two actual trailers where you can see an actual gameplay screen and UI from the few triple A studios that can put up enough money to actually make use of the hardware. They didn't even manage that.
Damn, Nintendo can hit the snooze alarm again. I swear Sony and especially MS are so out of touch with how the average person wants to play games and what their priorities are it's amazing.
Damn, Nintendo can hit the snooze alarm again. I swear Sony and especially MS are so out of touch with how the average person wants to play games and what their priorities are it's amazing.
Huh? Isn't it exactly the opposite? Show a load of CGI target renders and everyone gushes. Show real launch content and everyone bitches.
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I think the case here is not whether or not we see the outrage is valid.The question is why it exists.
The outrage exists, it's factually out there in the internet. Even Eurogamer, with whom Microsoft has partnered to reveal and present the new console's hardware specifications, was very critical of this "gameplay" reveal. This is not a fabrication out of a handful of B3D users.
You know that because you're aware of the specs and you're aware of what said specs should be able to do.
I also don't see how these wouldn't be playable on a SeriesX the same way I don't see how it wouldn't be playable on a PC with a RX5700, or my PC with a Vega 64.
I don't think anyone's accusing Microsoft of not being able to deliver these graphics with the final console. Mainly because the graphics shown aren't anything special..
Easy: the presentation was hyped as the first glimpse of SeriesX' gameplay. The game trailers are being presented as trailers, which is what they are.
No one is putting the devs accountable for Microsoft announcing one thing and then showing another.
I disagree. The most successful games out there have a focus on gameplay. There's little atmosphere, narrative and high-end graphics in Minecraft, Fortnite, PUBG, Mario and Pokemon.
You do want to try to show off all that on single player games, but there isn't a lack of beautiful and finely crafted games out there that failed due to poor gameplay.
Because it's Xbox's youtube channel so Microsoft has full control over what they choose to upload on their channel.
Assassin's Creed Valhalla is a big 3P AAA game.
It's just that... Ubisoft didn't show any gameplay. Despite Microsoft repeatedly saying throughout the presentation they'd show gameplay, and after the video with absolutely no gamplay the Microsoft guy doubled down on saying how great that gameplay was..
That was weird as hell. Perhaps Ubisoft pulled the plug on a gameplay video at the last minute, and Microsoft didn't have enough time to rewrite their own scripts and re-record their parts?
Are you sure?
Your info is accurate but quite outdated. That was the case with Assassin's Creed Unity, which indeed came out broken.
Origins and Odyssey, which are both part of a soft reboot of sorts, came out pretty great and they were critically acclaimed.
After the reboot, Ubisoft determined they'd only launch an Assassin's Creed game every 2 years, which works immensely better than the yearly cadence they previously had for the main games causing franchise fatigue everywhere. Odyssey came out in October 2018, so it only makes sense that Valhalla is coming Q4 2020 with the new consoles.
I for one think Vikings aren't a great match to an Assassin's Creed game though, and I'm a big fan of both popular TV shows covering that era (Vikings on Prime and Last Kingdom on Netflix).
Ubisoft clearly has a problem with covering eastern countries with longitudes beyond Israel, which is such a shame.
Are we talking about the same event? 90% of the complaints you see on the internet is the very fact that they did not show gameplay, and most of their content was exactly what you're saying everyone gushes about, target renders. Real launch content is precisely what the presentation lacked.
This is a parody post, right?
They didn't
Well, the competition has shown.... nothing.
Wonder what of those got the bigger firestorm, my guess is last of us 2, knowing what they did to the series. Trust me, it's ugly.
I think everyone here was well aware of that
Not that much different to the outrage sony recieved for their first PS5 reveal on the 18th of march. Poor cerny got hated for the hardware, while he's not even responsible for it. How nice was that. It's the internets.
I would say it's because this is the first time you're actually getting to see what is supposed to be in earnest game play. And first impressions count. Although not terminal.
Talk about the specs, show the box, if those went wrong people wouldn't worry too much as what people are really interested in is the games.
Could be wrong but I suspect this would've been the most anticipated show, by most people. People who not interested in specs, how console looks, what everyone has in common is wanting to see the games. Probably first time also had lot of other platform owners interested in what xsx had to show also.
This was the first insight as to what people are paying for, and to a lot of people I'm sure it didn't look worth it.
This is strangely comforting.
It shows that they aren't being stubborn and actually appreciate what went wrong somewhat.
Hopefully it's not just lip service.
Indeed. Never look to gamers to be just in their outrage.
Game wise.
By target renders, I mean 'target renders' - CGI that makes everyone go wooooooow but which aren't the slightest bit realistic. If you show CGI 'target' videos and up-sampled demos running 5 fps on a top-end PC that you compile into a 60 fps gameplay clip, you generate hype. If you show real content (and launch content tends to be pretty naff), you get this response, "Where's my next-gen?"
The problem here is MS have been too honest. Gamers (consumer) don't want reality but dreams. Sell them the moon - you never have to actually deliver.
The show was fine, it's just that their messaging was really off in more ways than one; This was billed as a 3p gameplay showcase when it should have been billed as sneak peak at or gameplay trailers from some indie and new partners for Xbox. Billed that way and its a really great showing. Also the fact that so much of the games on the show are at least console exclusive to Xbox is not indicated, neither is the website showing the technical information about the games. Here is the link by the way: https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/optimized. This shows a lot of details about the games themselves. Bizarre stuff really.
Also having watched the videos of the game trailers individually in much better quality, the visual quality on show is fantastic, especially for what is mostly indie games and cross-gen games. Why they decided to stream this in such poor quality....
Anyway its fine. I am looking forward to a lot of the games shown with so many of them promising 4k60 with Dirt 5 having a 120fps mode. Fantastic stuff. Now to see what the big publishers and first-party games have to offer. Impressive mostly indie showing.
Also having watched the videos of the game trailers individually in much better quality, the visual quality on show is fantastic, especially for what is mostly indie games and cross-gen games. Why they decided to stream this in such poor quality....
Anyway its fine. I am looking forward to a lot of the games shown with so many of them promising 4k60 with Dirt 5 having a 120fps mode. Fantastic stuff. Now to see what the big publishers and first-party games have to offer. Impressive mostly indie showing.
I disagree do like Guerrilla Games and Sony Santa Monica did with the reveal of KZ SF, Horizon Zero Dawn and God of war. No CGI, no in engine teaser (Hellblade 2 or Uncharted 4...).
Micrososet set high expectation
People want this graphics quality during gameplay... I hope for Microsoft they will reach it in July.
).Micrososet set high expectation
People want this graphics quality during gameplay... I hope for Microsoft they will reach it in July.
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Disagree on what?
Sure, but you need those titles and in that state. When you have a game ready to show that way, show it. But it doesn't hurt to show a load of fake stuff when you don't have real gameplay to demonstrate, especially for a next-gen platform. Of the titles you've listed, only KZSF was in the reveal; the rest came later. In order to hype up the next-gen system, Sony used plenty of preview content like Deep Down, just like they did the previous generation with the CGI footage for PS3 games. Not showing actual launch games in the WIP state was great for generating excitement. If Sony had shown launch-titles in their months-before-release state, we'd have had very underwhelming experiences and gamers complaining about next-gen being a damp squib (as is happening here).
I disagree to show fake stuff. This is not working since a long time. E3 2005 was the worst but Uncharted 4 reveal or The Witcher 3 reveal were not good too. If you have nothing, show nothing.
When has it negatively impacted console sales? For launch, launch titles are kinda sucky and not very next-gen. Showing the real stuff clearly isn't a great idea as demonstrated by the reaction to MS's choice to do that here. Same for PS3 - Sony's CGI renders generated a lot more excitement than MS's real games. Later on when you can show good looking games for real, do so. But marketing 101 has you big up products, and if your product ain't that great to look at, show something else entirely like a cinematic. Mobile is saturated with games that sell (generate interest) not on gameplay but on animations.
After seeing those tweets Az linked, disorganized is probably a better word for what happened.
They should have decoupled the AAA/mainstream games from this showcase and spent the extra time to highlight whether the game was an indie dev or a smaller house and if it's exclusive or not, etc. Maybe key features like RT, 120fps.
That would give some nice clarity and set a clear expectation these aren't your AAA titles. To randomly group them together and give no context just created confusion all around.
They should have decoupled the AAA/mainstream games from this showcase and spent the extra time to highlight whether the game was an indie dev or a smaller house and if it's exclusive or not, etc. Maybe key features like RT, 120fps.
That would give some nice clarity and set a clear expectation these aren't your AAA titles. To randomly group them together and give no context just created confusion all around.
I expected gameplay.
There was some, but it was hard to tell what was what after Bright Memory: Infinite's gameplay trailer.
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