How to do Next-Gen Graphics

To be honest I was being serious at first when this convo came up, but now I'm just having fun with it. smh at some people talking about a next-next gen console before the future one even comes out.

 

No, just no.

You might as well just be a PC gamer then.

 

Yep. And if MS wants to do this they will only be killing themselves off, while Sony and Nintendo continue to rake in the los profitos.

A generation change every 4 years will only kill the industry. And we don't need that.

 

Agreed.

 

Very odd thread. I feel sorry for A176 who had it instantly highjacked into a 4 year cycle debate. But still, it'd be nice for jvd to explain the benefits to MS in going with a 4 year cycle (which I asked early but he didn't respond to). What exactly does it get them? Plus what about devs? Looking at comments for this gen the devs were saying it's too early and they weren't happy, even with a 100 million existing consoles they can still create software for when next-gen launches.

 

So where is the problem ?
Let them do it and at the end of the day we will see who will actually kill his self ...

 

... Why?

PC gamers upgrade much more often than 4 years.

Why? Really, give me a few good reasons and a few market reports to prove that...
Obviously MS would make more profits if their console lasted more (only if their console was successful though), but it would hardly "kill the industry". That's a ridiculous statement to make.

 

aye depending on the year sometimes to or 3 times .

I already spent 400$ this year on my pc and all it was was a new dvd rw drive , ram , a sound card and a hardrive.

Next year i will upgrade the cpu , ram , mobo and gpu and that wil leasily be over 1k .

 

I'm not really following MS these days business wise, but just the fact that they aren't a hardware company puts the doubt in my head. Or are they going to build plants to produce chips?
Also we have IBM making chips for everybody, but Sony will probably end up fabbing Cell on their own sometime in the future. So by the end of the cycle you'll have IBM making chips for 2 consoles and quite possible the next cycle of conosles as well as all the other chips they make. Can they handle that?

 

Ms just uses other fabs , they are fabless. Just like nvidia and ati and there are many fabs that can produce chips .

I don't see why people would think its a problem.

If anything it allows them to change the fab process quickly and without huge costs to themselves .


There is no fab upkeep , no huge costs for upgrading the fab , no cost for running the fab .

This is all rolled into a small premium they have to pay on the chip . However as stated many times before places like umd and tsmc opperate on razor thin margins .

 

IBM aren't fabbing the chips necessarily. MS can get the design off IBM (or anyone else) and then go to a different chip company like TMSC and get them to produce the chip.

 

but xbox 4 would be in 2013, not so long after ps4 in 2012.

ofcourse would only be if xbox captures 51% or more of market. what market, I dunno.

 

Which is why i'm not a PC gamer

 

Sony are already fabbing Cell in their own fabs IIRC, and that was the plan from the beginning.

 

I may not be much of one after i get married .... so next year may be my last big upgrade.

 

so basically as long as demand for cell phones, digital cameras, and mp3 players does not go up, many xbox 360s should hit the shelves.

 

400$ in 4 years are 75$ per year

75$ is almost the price of a game, I think that this is nothing if they give to us new technology, new generation, backw. compatible

I bet for "4years cycle"

 

err what ?

Cell phones , digital cameras and mp3s players all use simple chps (compared to the xbox 360)

I doubt many of these products are on 90nm with soi and low k processes .

They are most likely on the bulk 90nm or 110nm processes .

At the same time however if something happened to one plant ms can hav eanother plant in another region .

So i guess we better hope no acts of god or power outages hit sonys plants or shipments of ps3s will lower

 

Except if they do cut costs like you say in 4 years they can most likely cut it even further the 5th year. Or they wont have to rush into a new process to cut costs and can wait it out till it becomes feasible. They wont be able to reach the same low levels in 4 years as in 5 they will in 5 years. Unless they want to continue losing money on the console.

I disagree with whats written in italics but for the rest... They can, I am just saying that if you are releasing consoles much more frequently it wouldnt be a bad idea to not make it as expensive because you wont be able to lower the price like with a longer cycle. And if you start with a higher price to begin with youll lose even more money and make it less accessible to the general public. Plus if you release a console more frequently then you are asking the consumer to spend more money and consumers are a cost sensitive bunch.

Oh, you totally agree with me, you just dont know it yet If they are going to base the next box on current tech, then that will be old tech by then, thus reusing old tech.

Definetly, and it will be easier if its based on the same tech.

400$ is a lot, which is one reason for the cheap-o-pack for 300$.