How to do Next-Gen Graphics

[mckmas8808]

media costs , carts were way to expensive and didn't scale in cost. There was more money to be made on the ps2 , dreamcast , gamecube and xbox with cheaper publishing costs .


Aside from that dev support was allways low on the system. So there weren't many people finishing up projects its 6th year .

xbox even though the console is dead has games coming out as devs will still make money and they have almost completed games . Ps2 will have the same thing happen .

Devs just don't scrap games to move on to the next gen otherwise come march the ps2 would not have any games made for it .

Yep you're right, devs probably are begging to spend extras money to R&D new console system games every 4 years. As a matter of fact I'm glad that you pointed out to me that a 4 year life cycle has worked.

Thanks jvd your the best.

 

[scooby_dooby]

You're right, Dev's hate it when you hand them a cutting edge machine with copious amounts of RAM and Processing power. Man that muct suck!

Some developers won't like it, so they'll continue to code on the X360/PS3 platforms. Others will be glad for the chance to flex their muscle on a more powerful system.

 

[mckmas8808]

No they'll say here a machine with 4GB of ram, 5x's the CPU power, and a much more powerful GPU. They'll also assure developers they plan to continue selling X360's at $99 for the next 5 years, Developers will say 'sweet!'

Dev's have a choice, they CAN develop primarily for the existing generations as the installed base of the X360 continues to grow, or they can make next-gen games if they want.

But how do you know that a machine that has 4 GB of ram and 5x's the CPU power will sell enough to garner the attention of developers? What if Sony at that sametime are R&Ding for a system to have 6 GB or ram, 8x's the CPU power with a much much better GPU than the Xbox 3 (that would come out at least 2 years earlier than the PS3)?

What if the PS3 is selling like crazy and devs decide to spend more time with that system?

 

[jvd]

Yep you're right, devs probably are begging to spend extras money to R&D new console system games every 4 years. As a matter of fact I'm glad that you pointed out to me that a 4 year life cycle has worked.

Thanks jvd your the best.

Who says r&d costs haev to be higher each generation .

Ms can design a new system around the xbox 360 , use the same basic lay out for the cpus , perhaps more cores that are faster , more bandwidth a new gpu with new dx features and of course more powerfull with more ram .

There dosn't allways need to be huge new r&d costs .

And ms can keep improiving dev tools .

of course god forbid someone puts sony in a bad postion , then mckmass comes to the rescue

 

[scooby_dooby]

What if the sky falls?

 

[mckmas8808]

Some developers won't like it, so they'll continue to code on the X360/PS3 platforms. Others will be glad for the chance to flex their muscle on a more powerful system.

So if some devs decided to make the jump while others don't then where do all the great games come from for this Xbox 3?

Why would consumers jump to buy a Xbox 3 if there favorite franchises are on the Xbox 360? Unless you want the developers to make a game for both systems. Then that would cost a bit of money right?

 

[jvd]

scooby don't bother.

Mckmass wont allow sony to be put into any postion but a positive one .

 

[mckmas8808]

Who says r&d costs haev to be higher each generation .

Ms can design a new system around the xbox 360 , use the same basic lay out for the cpus , perhaps more cores that are faster , more bandwidth a new gpu with new dx features and of course more powerfull with more ram .

There dosn't allways need to be huge new r&d costs .

And ms can keep improiving dev tools .

of course god forbid someone puts sony in a bad postion , then mckmass comes to the rescue

God forbid for Sony to be put in a good situation. You will go to war to bring them back down. You are talking as if millions apon millions of people want a 4 year life cycle. You say in other treads all the time that the real money is made when the people buy the console for $149 or less right? Well that probably won't happen until the year 2007 (Christmas time) or 2008. So why would you not want to supply those gamers that brought the console in 2008 for at least two years?

 

[jvd]

Sony is already in a good postiton .

My comments are about ms shortening thier generations .

Not about sony .

If you want to start wyh sony is so great then go ahead and do it . But don't responed to each post with bs pro sony arguements that fall flat on thier face .

As for my comments

You are talking as if millions apon millions of people want a 4 year life cycle

Where ? As i know i specificly say that the 400-500$ price is for hardcore gamers , not millions upon millions of people . I even go on to say that they can still sell the xbox 360 at mass market prices and support it with software that will sell for at least a 5th year .

say in other treads all the time that the real money is made when the people buy the console for $149 or less right

And your point . Where do i say that the xbox 360 wont drop under 200$ ?

I expect it to be close to 200 if not 200$ next holdiay season , in 4 years i expect it to be 100$ which is what consoles typicly stop at in terms of price.

So why would you not want to supply those gamers that brought the console in 2008 for at least two years?

Where did i say devs will stop making xbox 360 games


You simply don't read mckmass. Your saying i've said things that were never said by me . You've just dream it up . All because i gave a senario in which ms can throw sony off balance .

So if some devs decided to make the jump while others don't then where do all the great games come from for this Xbox 3?

Where indeed. Hmm oh wait mckmass try the first part of your sentence.

 

[mckmas8808]

scooby don't bother.

Mckmass wont allow sony to be put into any postion but a positive one .

Ok since you want to act like I'm some kind of fanguy read this.

These are the things that Sony has done wrong so far

1. They sold the PSP in EU extremely too late. It should have came out in June at the latest.

2. Did take online gaming as serious as they should have with the PS2.

3. They mentioned the America Online plans for the PS2 too early. They should have waited until they knew everything would fall through first.

4. They made that god-freaking awful looking controller for the PS3 (batarang anybody)

5. They are selling the PSP media software instead of it being free.

6. They could possibly screw themselves if they stick a 2X Blu-ray drive in the PS3.

7. If they sell the console for more than one dollar over 399.99 they are freaking crazy (even though I will still buy it)


I can go on and on and on about this. So just stop with the fanguy talk. OK

 

[mckmas8808]

Where indeed. Hmm oh wait mckmass try the first part of your sentence.

So if 70% of devs decide to make games for the Xbox 3 wouldn't that leave 30% not making games for it? Wouldn't that mean that certain gamers are going to get their game of choice until that other 30% starts to make games.

Couldn't this lead to less people buying the Xbox 3 if their games arent being made for it at that time?

 

[jvd]

So if 70% of devs decide to make games for the Xbox 3 wouldn't that leave 30% not making games for it? Wouldn't that mean that certain gamers are going to get their game of choice until that other 30% starts to make games.

Couldn't this lead to less people buying the Xbox 3 if their games arent being made for it at that time?

why is it stoping people from buying the xbox 360 right now or next year people buying the ps3

People have thier favs and sometimes they aren't out right away.

That doesn't mean devs will never switch to the xbox 3 . Ms themselves will support it at launch with thier halos , kameos , pdzs , frozas . Other companys will move over too .

And if some gamers wait till the other 30% support it who cares , thats waht happens in every gen . Some people wont buy an xbox 360 till halo 3 is on it , some people wont buy a ps3 till mgs4 is released.

Does that mean sony and ms shouldn't release a new system till those games are finished?

Seriously what does it have to do with anyhting . Oh and btw a dev can create games for two systems at a time . Heck some release games for 4 systems at once .

 

[groper]

Speaking for my self , as a hard-core gamer , i not only wish but i strongly demand from Ms a new console after 4 - 4.5 years.
I can't even imagine my self to play Vgames with a crappy 360 at late 2010 while PC games will be far better.

Anyway , why dont you make a poll about this ?
It would be interesting to see the results...

 

[Branduil]

Yeah, that Shadow of the Colossus game sure did suck on 5-year-old technology. Surely it would have been better if I'd been forced to spend $400 on a new system just to play it.

 

[dubyateeeff]

Considering development time for games are 2-4 years and growing and taking more resources it is essential to be able to reuse technology (to save costs, either making a new game or a sequel but still making money off the first investment) and that is why longer cycles are needed.

 

[mckmas8808]

Considering development time for games are 2-4 years and growing and taking more resources it is essential to be able to reuse technology (to save costs, either making a new game or a sequel but still making money off the first investment) and that is why longer cycles are needed.

This guy knows what he is talking about. You ought to listen to him jvd.

 

[scificube]

This thread is pure comedy gold!!!

 

[jvd]

Yeah, that Shadow of the Colossus game sure did suck on 5-year-old technology. Surely it would have been better if I'd been forced to spend $400 on a new system just to play it.

Imagine what it would have been like reelased on the ps3 . The graphics would have been on par with the epic story line .

Considering development time for games are 2-4 years and growing and taking more resources it is essential to be able to reuse technology (to save costs, either making a new game or a sequel but still making money off the first investment) and that is why longer cycles are needed.

My example takes this into account. The xbox 360 will still be sold and supported at least into its 5th year perhaps 6th year in my example.

There is no reason why devs need to stop the system as a development platform.

If anything sony has showed that they can move onto anotehr generation and still have games released to great sales on the previous generation systems for at least that year .

Even the super nintendo sold many units of games with the saturn and psone on the market for a year that that point .

No one is saying to stop development on the old platforms.

Just that ms can gain alot buy sticking with the 4 year cycle. I don't see many devs to upset with it if iany at all , they still have a ton of support for the xbo x 360 dispite the 4 year cycle ms is on currently .

 

[Synergy34]

No they'll say here a machine with 4GB of ram, 5x's the CPU power, and a much more powerful GPU. They'll also assure developers they plan to continue selling X360's at $99 for the next 5 years, Developers will say 'sweet!'

Dev's have a choice, they CAN develop primarily for the existing generations as the installed base of the X360 continues to grow, or they can make next-gen games if they want.

Does MS even have the capacity to do this? Would they be able to have their partners continue to produce 360's and a "720" machine?

 

[jvd]

Does MS even have the capacity to do this? Would they be able to have their partners continue to produce 360's and a "720" machine?

I don't see why not .

In 2009 the x360 could have the cpu and gpu (both edram and logic) on one chip . Most likely on 45nm tech or even lower than that

Product would continue and will most likely at that point start to be scaled back.

The xbox 3 would be made in limited quanitys through the first year as production is ramped up .


Sony was able to do this themselves with the help of toshiba going from the ps1 to the ps2 and now sony will be producing the pstwo , psp , ps3 in the same year .

Why doubt that ms can do it ?