How MS and Sony see kinect and move

[Lucid_Dreamer]

Do you honestly and truly believe there's a PR department at Sony or MS that wants to be accurate and honest even if means painting themselves in a less glowing light?

The difference here isn't that large. Both Sony and MS have taken blows at each other in the information wars. That one may have landed a bigger hit doesn't bestow on them any virtue.

When you believe you have the superior product, you don't have to bend or break things as much.

Would you rather be friends with one who lies or a habitual liar? Do you not recognize there is a big difference between the two?

This isn't really about fairness and justice, but PR spin. Do you not remember the pages of bickering over Sony's E3'05 show? It's quite possible to take these PR blurbs and write pages and pages of valid arguments to back them up, resorting to all sorts of subjective considerations to determine which is the more honest company. Yet at the end of the day not one of them has created these comparisons with an intention of being an honest source of information. Putting it another way: Two conmen, Mr. Blogs and Mr. Smith visit you one day, both trying to con you out of $1000. Mr. Blogs' lies convince you and you lose $1000. Mr. Smith's lies aren't as convincing and you turn him away. Are you now going to say Mr. Smith is a better person than Mr. Blogs because, despite having the same intentions, he was inept?

Whichever list above readers prefer, they're just two different takes on the same idiotic misinformation. They're just dressed differently with a different set of pointless data to compare. Both are trying to present an at-a-glance influence to get pundits to prefer their system to the other; neither is trying to create an impartial comparison to educate consumers into making a fair choice for their own personal requirements.

I think this is about fairness and justice within the realm of PR spin. They clearly aren't the same, because they do not contain the same amount of misinformation. Therefore, they should be weighed accordingly. Anything less isn't being fair.

 

[Lucid_Dreamer]

Yes. On the Sony list that's a tick for them. MS could have designed theirs the same way only have the checkbox for, "no awkward buttons," or "button less freedom," or whatever else that gives them one more yes than Sony. The purpose of these lists is to present the list of yours as having the most ticks, which gives an at-a-glance measure of its superiority. The information can be manipulated in all sorts of ways to get the required ends.

Those same checks could be placed in those same columns for Sony unless they said for ALL games and apps.

 

[Delta9]

" I mean, come on! "Buttons - yes, yes, no". the whole point to Kinect is it hasn't got buttons.

Buttons is an advantage though.I'm surprised they didn't use pressure sensitive buttons to make Wii look worse.

 

[eastmen]

Buttons is an advantage though.I'm surprised they didn't use pressure sensitive buttons to make Wii look worse.

but we already know of hybrid games coming with in the next 18 months that use the xbox 360 controller and the kinect.....

I also believe GOW and Fable 3 will both use kinect in the ames

 

[Delta9]

but we already know of hybrid games coming with in the next 18 months that use the xbox 360 controller and the kinect.....

I also believe GOW and Fable 3 will both use kinect in the ames

Not the same with no motion control and would just be like regular play with maybe head tracking.

 

[obonicus]

Buttons is an advantage though.I'm surprised they didn't use pressure sensitive buttons to make Wii look worse.

There'd have to be games actually using pressure-sensitive buttons, I guess.

 

[Delta9]

There'd have to be games actually using pressure-sensitive buttons, I guess.

Start The Party use it for paint thickness.

 

[patsu]

If these products are successful, they may take a lot of the money from the market and affect game software sales.

Maybe the people who buy one of these setups would have bought one or two more games if they didn't spend a couple of hundred on this stuff.

Software licensing still produces higher margins?

Really, if they're going to extract well over $100 for hardware, they need to do it with new consoles.

I agree...and disagree with you on that

In Sony's case I agree. Everyone has a gaming budget, core gamers included. Sony is going after core gamers with Move so core gamers will spend less on other gaming items and divert it to Move related items. So Sony effectively is competing with itself.

In Microsoft's case though I don't agree. The core gamers budget will not be affected as much since Kinect does not target the core audience. So core gamers will keep on spending as they do, and primarily new customers will be the ones dropping money on Kinect related items. So Microsoft will be bringing new money to the fold, not cannibalizing existing sales.

Hard to say. We are missing the software picture completely here. Can't really blame bad software sales on innovative hardware availability. If the games are not fun, I'll watch movies or go play something else anyway.

Sony starts with core gamers, and may renew their interest in gaming, say by involving family members. MS targets casuals directly. Either way, it can't be bad for us unless both totally screw up and drive people away.

Hell, Nintendo Wii may benefit from better third party motion games too.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Would you rather be friends with one who lies or a habitual liar? Do you not recognize there is a big difference between the two?

Personally, they're as bad as each other. At the end of the day if you want some information from them, whereas the habitual liar will give you wrong info, the person who tells lies may not. But you don't know, which means you can't trust their info any more than the liar. I wouldn't remain friends with either for long.

However, I recognise that isn't your argument. If I had to live with someone who lifted petty cash from my wallet, versus someone who'd sell my stuff on eBay, even though they're the same crime I'd clearly prefer the former. This is the distinction you are drawing, right? But IMO it's invalid, as I illustrated with my conmen example.

I think this is about fairness and justice within the realm of PR spin. They clearly aren't the same, because they do not contain the same amount of misinformation.

Not. By. Choice! But as you didn't answer my question about the conmen, I guess you're not really interested in exploring this, only asserting your viewpoint. Well, viewpoint asserted, and there's clearly no point in me contributing here as such. I leave people to discuss how noble and righteous Sony is because they managed to select data-points that look more convincing.

 

[Rolf N]

I take issue with the idea that you'd need a full Move setup to match Kinect, when all it takes is a 40$ PSEye.

 

[goonergaz]

I'd like to see a price comparison for 3 or more players please MS.

 

[ShadowRunner]

I take issue with the idea that you'd need a full Move setup to match Kinect, when all it takes is a 40$ PSEye.

Quite true

The only real difference is the depth sensor and motorised tilt. PSeye should be able to match all of Kinects features on paper, it just wouldnt work well but who cares on a checkbox comparison chart

4 player controllerless gaming for $40 anyone?

 

[Prophecy2k]

I must say how much i love and am amused by MS and Sony's PR "value proposition" one-upmanship charts and tables.

I too want to play:

MS:
Kinect & Xbox 360 Arcade - £249.99
32" LCD HDReady TV - £350

Sony:
PS3 250GB - £284.99
PS Move Starter Pack - £44.99
2 x Extra Move - £34.99 x 2
2 x Nav Controllers - £24.99 x 2
Move game - £40
55" Full HD 3D Ready Plasma TV - £6999

Nintendo:
Nintendo Wiii with Wiimote, Nunchuck and Wii sports - £120
32" SDTV - £0 (because you probably already have one)

So that's
MS: £599.99
Sony: £7488.94
Nintendo: £120

... but wait... no-one wants to play the baby wii SD teh grafix hooooo!...

Result:..... MS wins... oh no wait... I'm Sony... so Sony wins!!!!

Disclaimer:
The above is an example of how ridiculous and amusingly fun these charts can be ;-)

 

[ShadowRunner]

Didn't realise the PSMove Starter Kit is £49.99 in uk, same as a single game. Im guessing this is without a game included? Is the same starter pack available in US?

 

[goonergaz]

Didn't realise the PSMove Starter Kit is £49.99 in uk, same as a single game. Im guessing this is without a game included? Is the same starter pack available in US?

No, it's just a demo disk for the UK. In the US I believe it's $99 with the sports game.

I'd love to see something like Dead Space 2 come with just the Move @ £60RRP - that would be awsome

 

[Silent_Buddha]

Didn't know where this fit.

First is sony

http://kotaku.com/5592618/how-playstation-move-trumps-wii-and-kinect-according-to-sony

Hahah this one is my favorite from this silliness...

I'm guessing Yes is supposed to be a Good thing and No is supposed to be a Bad thing...

Built-in Rechargeable Battery - Microsoft Kinect: No.

Oh nooooooes.

Regards,
SB

 

[Npl]

Controller free multiplayer system:
100€ PS2 console
~30€ Eyetoy Play incl Camera
130€

130€ vs 300€ - Win for Sony!

 

[patsu]

Sony's chart is underselling Move again. It should mention EyeToy/PSEye body tracking in the first row, since some games allow you to dodge bullets by shifting you body. That Kung Fu game allows full body tracking in 2D, and EyePet allows petting and stroking also. How come no mention of true one-one mapping ? And it's ability to track fast human action in higher resolution ? And pressure sensitive button ? Why no audio feedback for Move ?

For battery, it's a point against Wii. For Kinect, it should just read NA or "requires AC".

Good to see it highlight voice recognition, should also flag out speech recognition capability.

Most importantly, feature by feature sell is a "low level" marketing technique. Let the software do the talking. Pit yourself against WiiSports Resort if you think you are good enough.

 

[Delta9]

For battery, it's a point against Wii.

^^It is kinda amazing how many people don't see that.

 

[goonergaz]

^^It is kinda amazing how many people don't see that.

aye, it's amazing isn't it! But how about the pricing of Wiimotion+ £50RRP vs Move £35RRP, or thye fact you have to teather the 2 controllers together and that creates a restriction on movement...and then (of course) Wii doesn't have a camera, so no 'player in the game' style thing like eyepet/start the party (etc) - when you start to look at the differences in detail they stick out more and more.