Health, Food and Exercise thread
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Do you have a particularly life-like render of yourself so you can pretend to be at work? Maybe even use as an avatar when you're at home and can't be bothered to come in for the day? Think of all the possibilities. Actually an even better idea is to set up a really big monitor and tell the interns to wear 3D glasses that way you can telecast into the office! Wouldn't that be pretty fantastic to project your presence at work without actually being there. All you'd need would be a big TV, some powerful computers which im pretty sure you have and some 3D glasses for the poor saps who have to actually show up for work! 
DuckThor Evil
Legend
Eating about 750 excess calories per day. For six moths. If you are first quite active and then stop moving, but keep eating like you used to, the weight will come. I ate a bit more though and no exercise. If I'm perfectly honest though, my "record" weight gain is actually 30kg in four months... I went from 90kg to 120kg in 2000-2001, I did do weight training then though, at my worst I was 137kg (182cm/6.0") in 2006. I do have some amount of muscle mass ( benched 160kg), and I generally hide the fat ok, but yeah the gut was quite stellar and it's been somewhat of a tough road. I haven't had any particular reason to eat all that shit, just liked to eat a lot and got stuck in gear... This time I won't eat it back, I'll promise that.
Yeah, people who go on about how some diets are unsustainable and how exercise is the only road to managing your weight tend to overlook the fact that exercise can as well be unsustainable, and the fact that it is very easy to eat so much that no amount of physical exercise, short of polar exploration trip on foot, can burn the extra calories.
You need both, none work without the other. Exercise speeds up metabolism to help with weight loss and motivates the body to build and maintain muscles and bones (osteoporosis comes with age); but you'd have to train as much as a professional athlete to avoid getting overweight without also paying attention to what you eat.
Babel-17
Veteran
:smile: Low-carb blast from the past:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Banting
A good read.
http://www.lowcarb.ca/corpulence/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Banting
A good read.
Eating right works without exercise. Obviously, exercise is a good thing (as long as it's not taken too far), no disagreement in that, but it is not mandatory.
By the way, is the accusation that science and government pushed low fat really true? I mean the market pushed low fat for certain ... but for as long as I remember the official line was just low calorie diet (which generally means low sugar, so it has that in common with low carb at least) and a push for people to eat 200 gram of vegetables and 2 pieces of fruit a day.
Is government and science being punished for something mainly caused by capitalism?
Is government and science being punished for something mainly caused by capitalism?
Whoa, AHA is finally beginning to introduce some sense in their guidelines:
http://www.theheart.org/article/1214279.do
For decades, cholesterol figures have been blindly used as indicators of health risks, while not backed up by proper research. The diet recommendations given here are probably quite insufficient still, but at least they are now starting to turn to right direction.
http://www.theheart.org/article/1214279.do
For decades, cholesterol figures have been blindly used as indicators of health risks, while not backed up by proper research. The diet recommendations given here are probably quite insufficient still, but at least they are now starting to turn to right direction.
And why did the marked push low fat? Because the guidance from (bad) science and government was that fat is bad. For example, the American Heart Association, which I just mentioned in my previous post, has for a long time been one of the leading proponents of low fat line. Just google "american heart association low fat" and see what you get...
In a country where two thirds of all adults are overweight and 20-25% are obese (varies from state to state), fat is bad.
With twice the energy density of protein and carbs, lowering calorie intake is just easier by cutting fat out of your diet.
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It isn't, that's the whole issue. Please read Dr.Evil's posts in this thread and the material he linked to.
And as it's been said, "It's not eating fat that makes you fat, it's the inability to burn fat that makes you fat."
Strictly speaking the guidance from science has been that the percentage poly unsaturated fat of total fat consumption should go up, at least for the last decade or so ... that just has been simplified a bit down the road.
Shouldn't that be "It's not eating a normal amount of fat that makes you fat, it's the inability to burn inordinate amounts of fat that makes you fat"
Another question, how do handle the clothing situation. I've been wearing 32/34 size jean for over twenty years (not the same pair, hehe) and much to my wife's chagrin I wear them till they rip or fall apart after five years on average give or take. When you gain/lose weight so quickly in such a short amount of time as some people have mentioned, do you throw out your entire wardrobe every 3 months or do you keep a separate set 'for those heavy days'. Doesn't it set off alarm bells when your favorite pants/shirt won't fit anymore all of a sudden?
DuckThor Evil
Legend
Cutting the fat out is the worst you can do. I have first hand experience on multiple diets and whilst I can't talk for everyone, I can talk for many whom have similar experiences. I'm about 110kg so 2000kcal is not a lot for me.
When I eat 2000Kcal on a high fat diet, I feel well and energetic, not hungry and can easily notice that, shit I was supposed to eat two hours ago, head is clear and everything works like a charm.
When I eat 2000Kcal on a high carbohydrate diet. I feel weaker, hungry all the time and often somewhat miserable and cold, there is NO WAY in hell I'll forget to eat a meal in this diet. The next meal is often the only thing I can think of.
It's those aforementioned things, that are the reason losing weight often fails on high carb diets. It's hard to push through all that.
On a high carb diet things however get easier with plenty of aerobic exercise, because that will cause your fat metabolism to activate, making you feel energetic and less hungry. With high fat diet your fat metabolism is constantly active.
High fat diet is also healthy, it really is. There is nothing wrong with saturated fat. On a quick glance/ simple math high fat intake might sound bad, but in practise it's what our bodies have evolved to run and work well on.
I don't want to make too much fuss about some of the things regarding this matter, but atleast in Finland and I expect it to be somewhat similar in US, since we copy lot of stuff from there, the doctors don't receive education on nutrition or it's effects in the body in med school, or are taught only miniscule amounts of it. Doctors often aren't good at curing the disease or the cause of it. They treat symptons not the cause. Doctors know a lot about what symptons are cured by what drug. They honestly don't know too much about some of these things they should know about and often can be descriped as basically being only well paid marketing tools for the drug companies. They do lot's of stuff right also don't get me wrong on that, but they are failing at keeping us healthy. They simply aren't taught the right information.
Drug companies want to sell you drugs. They care wayyy more about the health of their bottom line than your health, If you are healthy and don't need drugs, things don't look too good for them. They don't want you to die, but if they can hook you on a drug and keep you alive for long, but somewhat miserable, you'll be a good customer. Nothing is better than hook you up with multiple lifestyle drugs.
It really is as simple as that.
Someone said that you shouldn't take a lifestyle drug for your problems, but instead to change your lifestyle. The official quidelines for healthy lifestyle and losing weight are much harder than necessary. Trying to get healthy/normal weight with high carb diets, especially if you have already got yourself in a bad situation is hard and makes sure many fail and that the drug companies will have plenty of business for the foreseeable future.
There is plenty of corruption to go around and the drug and food industry are certainly no exception. The connections between the food and medical industry and decision making institutes are ugly to say the least.
edit: This movie is worth watching:
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Nope. The fact is that you can have the majority of your daily energy intake as fat without gaining weight.
It is what the majority of the world manages to live perfectly healthy on ... or to pick heart disease as the great discriminator again, it works for the Japanese.
From a WHI perspective anecdotal testimony from some dieting rich guys in the western world isn't really enough to start recommending a diet which if actually implemented world wide would mean an instant explosion of the acreage necessary for food production. Especially when the health benefits are so very ethereal compared to just eating healthy and not getting overweight.
Their dietary recommendations are not aimed at getting people to lose weight.
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