Johnny Awesome
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It's funny that the PS3 >>> X360 scenario never materialized and now we're down to arguing over whether or not 1080p/BR will matter. It won't.
Have MS been digging themselves into a hole?
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Again, all of it will matter only if PS3 is more expansive then Xbox. If it is, we can then argue how much of it is due to BR an how much, if anything, is it worth. But all other things being equal, BR is a better option.
Regarding "if BR is not widely adopted" argument:
If you bought a lot of BR movies to watch on your PS3, you can still watch them on your PS3, so I don't really see a problem there. If you didn't buy any movies, you are not effected at all. Regardless, you still should be able to take advantage of the larger storage capacity and/or faster loading times.
Regarding "if BR is not widely adopted" argument:
If you bought a lot of BR movies to watch on your PS3, you can still watch them on your PS3, so I don't really see a problem there. If you didn't buy any movies, you are not effected at all. Regardless, you still should be able to take advantage of the larger storage capacity and/or faster loading times.
and that is all i am saying . For sony it makes sense to take this chance . But if it fails it will be a problem and will hurt the platform but for sony they need to take the risk to get the bluray platform to win
With ms the best choice was to sit and wait . In 2007 they can get a 2 or 4x hd-dvd drive for cheaper than they could get a 1 x drive this year for . Not have to worry about sortages and be able to sell a x360 with tivo like functions and hd-dvd / bluray at a higher price point as a media center .
What i see happening that can hurt sony alot if ms loosing less per system at 300$ than sony and using that to thier advantage and putting sony into a price point that makes a bluray ps3 un attractive to the gamers .
A 100$ price point diffrence is most likely 2 games or a game , controler and memory card . a 150$ price diffrence is 3 games or 2 games , controler memory card .
we have yet to see exactly how much the ps3 will cost sony to make compared to what it costs ms to make the x360 and we don't know whats going to go down. But if ms has the games and the price it will be hard for sony to do much and if they loose to much per console they could go bankrupt if they keep the losses that high for a long period of time .
Lets also not forget that sony is still launching the psp and it wont be in all markets before the ps3 launches . So its an interesting spot for sony to be in and hopefully ms can take advantage of it so that the cunsumers win in the end with cheaper consoles quicker
RancidLunchmeat
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To J Awesome: Funny, but true. The PS3 tech that was supposed to destroy the X360, simply hasn't materialized and most people realize it won't. I think it's a given now that what many people said originally was true: the difference in the quality/appearance of the games for both systems will be very close. The difference now is whether or not the PS3's extra features will give it a win.. and at what premium, if any, those extra features will come with.
If I haven't been clear, I'll clarify: If the X360 is $299 and the PS3 is $299, the PS3 is quite frankly a superior value, period.
I think that's highly unlikely, and if I wanted to spend enough time to pull out quotes from Sony reps saying that the console is going to be more expensive, or comments about "paying for features, performance, etc", I do so.. But I won't. I think everybody involved in this discussion has heard the Sony rhetoric and knows exactly what I'm referring to.
As far as there being no media available despite the fact that Sony is a media producer.. No, sorry.. There won't be. Sony has invested so much capital into BR they have to use it somewhere. Even as an exclusive format for the PS3 they can recover some of their costs. BR is going into the PS3 for exactly that reason and no other. If Sony hadn't developed BR themselves, BR would NOT be in the PS3. Certainly not at this stage, certainly not before BR was adopted as the HD standard.
But to believe that Sony will eat the extra manufacturing costs to produce media other than games in a BR format that is primarily supported by ONLY the PS3 and their own Sony players, I think is a stretch.
Democoder set me straight in a previous thread about BR, and the need for the extra capacity over HD-DVD, so I'm not opposed to BR "winning" the format war at all.
But I stand by the fact that BR media, even if it "wins" will simply not be available at the time of the PS3 launch in any volume to make it worth paying a premium for a PS3.
If BR "wins" tomorrow, what happens? How long will it take Sony and the other media studios to ramp up their production for BR movies? Then you've got the PS3 launch. At that time, how can you reasonable expect there to be more than a handful of BR titles available? How many BR players will be in homes prior to the PS3 launching, even if BR is adopted as the standard tomorrow?
This isn't a case of the PS2 having a DVD player. This isn't like buying a new car with a CD player (and paying more for it) VS buying a new car with a cassette player (and paying less). This is more like buying a new car with a CD player OR buying a new car with a mini disc player (and paying more).
If I haven't been clear, I'll clarify: If the X360 is $299 and the PS3 is $299, the PS3 is quite frankly a superior value, period.
I think that's highly unlikely, and if I wanted to spend enough time to pull out quotes from Sony reps saying that the console is going to be more expensive, or comments about "paying for features, performance, etc", I do so.. But I won't. I think everybody involved in this discussion has heard the Sony rhetoric and knows exactly what I'm referring to.
As far as there being no media available despite the fact that Sony is a media producer.. No, sorry.. There won't be. Sony has invested so much capital into BR they have to use it somewhere. Even as an exclusive format for the PS3 they can recover some of their costs. BR is going into the PS3 for exactly that reason and no other. If Sony hadn't developed BR themselves, BR would NOT be in the PS3. Certainly not at this stage, certainly not before BR was adopted as the HD standard.
But to believe that Sony will eat the extra manufacturing costs to produce media other than games in a BR format that is primarily supported by ONLY the PS3 and their own Sony players, I think is a stretch.
Democoder set me straight in a previous thread about BR, and the need for the extra capacity over HD-DVD, so I'm not opposed to BR "winning" the format war at all.
But I stand by the fact that BR media, even if it "wins" will simply not be available at the time of the PS3 launch in any volume to make it worth paying a premium for a PS3.
If BR "wins" tomorrow, what happens? How long will it take Sony and the other media studios to ramp up their production for BR movies? Then you've got the PS3 launch. At that time, how can you reasonable expect there to be more than a handful of BR titles available? How many BR players will be in homes prior to the PS3 launching, even if BR is adopted as the standard tomorrow?
This isn't a case of the PS2 having a DVD player. This isn't like buying a new car with a CD player (and paying more for it) VS buying a new car with a cassette player (and paying less). This is more like buying a new car with a CD player OR buying a new car with a mini disc player (and paying more).
Who the hell are you to predict that by the time PS3 launches, there will be no BR movies released?
BR disc manufacturing has already begun. Panasonic is beginning pilot production of BR discs, with full pilot production by the end of May and dual layer discs by December. The article can be found here:
http://www.blu-ray.com/
If they are already starting to make the discs, there's a good chance that movies will come out on BR relatively soon.
http://www.blu-ray.com/
If they are already starting to make the discs, there's a good chance that movies will come out on BR relatively soon.
RancidLunchmeat
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who THE HELL AM I?
Whooa nelly, why don't you try to answer the question rather than question the man behind the question, champ?
And I never stated nor implied there would be NO movies available on BR at PS3 launch.
What I said was rather clear: Even if BR is adopted as the HD standard TOMORROW, how can you expect there to be more than a HANDFUL of BR movies available at the time of the PS3 launch?
Don't all the plants have to be retooled in order to produce BR discs? How long will that take?
Did movie studios release their entire catalogs on DVD when DVDs became the standard? No. In fact, some movies STILL aren't available on DVD. It was a slow transition period. In the beginning, there were only a handful of titles that were released on DVD.
Are you claiming that BR adoption will somehow be different?
Are you claiming that when you go to your local Blockbuster, Hollywood Video, log into Netflix, or whatever that you will be able to choose any new release in DVD, VHS or BR at the time of the PS3 launch?
Who the hell am I? Somebody who knows that producing media in a new format takes time, and somebody who knows that having the general public adopt that format takes even longer.
You really need to chill, LB.
Whooa nelly, why don't you try to answer the question rather than question the man behind the question, champ?
And I never stated nor implied there would be NO movies available on BR at PS3 launch.
What I said was rather clear: Even if BR is adopted as the HD standard TOMORROW, how can you expect there to be more than a HANDFUL of BR movies available at the time of the PS3 launch?
Don't all the plants have to be retooled in order to produce BR discs? How long will that take?
Did movie studios release their entire catalogs on DVD when DVDs became the standard? No. In fact, some movies STILL aren't available on DVD. It was a slow transition period. In the beginning, there were only a handful of titles that were released on DVD.
Are you claiming that BR adoption will somehow be different?
Are you claiming that when you go to your local Blockbuster, Hollywood Video, log into Netflix, or whatever that you will be able to choose any new release in DVD, VHS or BR at the time of the PS3 launch?
Who the hell am I? Somebody who knows that producing media in a new format takes time, and somebody who knows that having the general public adopt that format takes even longer.
You really need to chill, LB.
RancidLunchmeat
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Mordecaii said:
Wow, a response to the question that was asked. Are you sure you don't want to call me names instead?
But can you clarify the difference between "pilot production" and "Full pilot production" for me?
I'm not sure I'm familiar with the difference in those terms.
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