[H]ardOCP Trying to be too Hard?

[ANova]

You started out by claiming that I did not read the article after I already stated I had read it, which only tells me you have below par reading comprehension, and makes me question whether or not you really understood the articles when you read them.

Kyle's "acusations", as you call them, are simply his opinions based on his experiences. Do you even realize that you're blasting him for having an opinion of something and not apologizing for it?

Please take heed to your own advice and re-read what I said. The personal insults are unnecessary.

Read the article again, nowhere did they claim that they knew what the problem was for a fact. They reported their best guess as to what the problem would have been, and their reason why that is what they believe (a history of issues with the chipset). You can't fault them for having that belief before knowing exactly what the problem was, and you can't fault them for not apologizing for having the belief without knowing the issue.

Again, please re-read what I said, which was a response to what Kyle said.

 

[Crusher]

ANova: check your PM, we can continue there if you like.

 

[SugarCoat]

What argument? You started out by claiming that I did not read the article after I already stated I had read it, which only tells me you have below par reading comprehension, and makes me question whether or not you really understood the articles when you read them.

Kyle's "acusations", as you call them, are simply his opinions based on his experiences. Do you even realize that you're blasting him for having an opinion of something and not apologizing for it?



Read the article again, nowhere did they claim that they knew what the problem was for a fact. They reported their best guess as to what the problem would have been, and their reason why that is what they believe (a history of issues with the chipset). You can't fault them for having that belief before knowing exactly what the problem was, and you can't fault them for not apologizing for having the belief without knowing the issue.

And if you re-read Kyle's follow up carefully you will see that he plainly laid out the entire situation, including an acceptance of Falcon's determination that the video card was at fault. He was defending their right to have posted their original belief; he was not trying to still claim that belief was right, and he was not disputing Falcon's claim that it was the video card.

There is a difference between setting the record straight and grovelling for forgiveness. [H] has done the former, you criticize them for not doing the latter.

Actually when the review was posted and the assumption placed soley on the chipset, there was a news blurb about ATI's very poor performance in that computer. Kyle went out of his way to do all this, which i think shows the crusade hes set himself on. Yes he says everything out, but then still felt the need to highlight yet again that he feels ATI's chipsets are very poor in performance. It adds insult to injury. He wrongly accused it of being the cause, did not edit the review, did not re-review, and then added in again how poor the performance and stability is. His opinion holds no other intention in this situation other then harm.

Once again i question how well recieved his comments would of been HAD the video card not malfunctioned and the review gone without a hitch.

"Well this product is great as you can see, they've come a long way, but i think it sucks and wouldnt touch it."


However that didnt happen, the graphics card malfunctioned and he made it his business to blame the one component made by the one company he has targetted for accusation and insult for the last few months. I would be utterly shocked if they replaced anything themselves or even opened the box. So what logic does it hold to place blame on ANY peice of hardware in the computer without testing or replacing? And why not make a note in the actual review saying it was the video card, or god forbid actually re-reviewing which makes the least sense of all? He himself said it was a rare occurance, yet that review is going to remain for long after for people to use to base ideas about what they will recieve. And why go out of your way to state the opinion of ATI chipests as very poor when they have absolutly NOTHING to do with the matter at hand and to keep doing it after its proven not an issue?

 

[YeuEmMaiMai]

ANova: check your PM, we can continue there if you like.

Dude,

One reason we know you lack any substance in your arguments.

You restort to name calling instead of addressing the facts of the issue.

Fact: Hardocp blamed the ATi chipset for the failure without any proof that it was the point of failure.

Fact: Even after it was found out that it was not the ATi chipset, Kyle refused to alter their statements regarding the ATi express chipset after it has been pointed out where the failure lies.

Fact: BFG video card was the point of failure

Fact: Kyle is still slamming the ATi chipset but provides no other explanation other than he
has used it.

 

[Crusher]

I would be utterly shocked if they replaced anything themselves or even opened the box.

Chris bought the system retail, it was not a review kit. Opening the case and replacing components to troubleshoot it would have voided the warranty. Do you go around voiding warranties on $3200 products that aren't working right?

 

[SugarCoat]

Chris bought the system retail, it was not a review kit. Opening the case and replacing components to troubleshoot it would have voided the warranty. Do you go around voiding warranties on $3200 products that aren't working right?

yep as much as i suspect, so where was the point or sense in blaming any component until you knew? And please comment on the rest...

If all reviewers did things this way there would be a rainbow of colours (opinions) and people would problably turn to fellow users for advice instead. I dont know about most people, but i dont read comments, i read facts, check charts, and look for an over-all idea of performance in a review. I do not care if Joe Six pack hates it from past experiance or dislikes it now.

 

[Crusher]

Dude,

One reason we know you lack any substance in your arguments.

You restort to name calling instead of addressing the facts of the issue.

When your response to my post is "you didn't read the article", you should expect nothing more. I'm getting sick of all you whiny ******s doing nothing but bitching about bias left and right while wallowing in it yourselves. The graphics card forums here are getting as bad as the political debates these days, and if all I see is people whining about their favorite company not being idolized, I'm going to call you on it.

 

[SugarCoat]

When your response to my post is "you didn't read the article", you should expect nothing more. I'm getting sick of all you whiny ******s doing nothing but bitching about bias left and right while wallowing in it yourselves. The graphics card forums here are getting as bad as the political debates these days, and if all I see is people whining about their favorite company not being idolized, I'm going to call you on it.

and you think i'd or any of use would react any differently if any other review site started blaming components in computers be it AMD, Intel, Nvidia, Creative etc...unless they knew? Im not the one who made this such a huge deal, its a front page article man, its not a post or a blurb in their news swash. In both the review and the follow-up as well as some other places between there, Kyle makes it known he dislikes ATI's chipsets very much. Well why is that relevant? Was there a problem with it in the review? No i dont think there was. So why is the comment there?

 

[YeuEmMaiMai]

When your response to my post is "you didn't read the article", you should expect nothing more. I'm getting sick of all you whiny ******s doing nothing but bitching about bias left and right while wallowing in it yourselves. The graphics card forums here are getting as bad as the political debates these days, and if all I see is people whining about their favorite company not being idolized, I'm going to call you on it.

You obviously did not read the article or you conviently skipped over the parts where the discussion is about.

Still I understand your frustration when you call others names, as it reflects upon your intelligence, not mine.

And I suppose you want me to pull than nforce 4 board out of my rear as well right?

 

[Crusher]

please comment on the rest...

I've already covered "the rest" in previous posts, I don't feel the need to repeat myself. As far as I can tell, this discussion has entered the infinite loop of stupidity, so I'm going to step out and look for more productive things to focus on.

 

[Geo]

Y'know, I think Kyle comes here at least in part because he enjoys a bit of rough and tumble in an environment he doesn't control. At heart, I think he is one of us writ large (faults and virtues), with more business savy than the average hardware forum goer -- how many sites have been killed by growth & success rather than thriving?.

 

[epicstruggle]

I think this thread has run its course.

Yes it has. I dont know why people just dont stay away from H if they have such a problem with it. I have, and let me tell you life goes on whether you read H or not.

epic

 

[patton713MW]

Ok, I'm not gunna get tangled up in the intricacies of this debate, but I have a little bit to just throw in. I'm not looking to be flamed, just sharing my view. Yes, I read the [H], and that is how I found this thread. I also have to say that I respect the views of B3D as much as [H]ardOCP. I like the individual styles of each site, and I think that there is good info presented by each site. I can read both, compare, then come to conclusions of my own. I like looking at the reviews on [H]ardOCP to see their in game benchmarks (I like how they place an importance on image quality during game play), and I really like this site to get in depth technical information. You see, the best way to form a good opinion of your own is to take a look at all the angles, then decide what makes the most sense to you.

I'm just not seeing this huge NV/ATi biason HardOCP. I am neither an ATi or nVidia !!!!!, I just look for what the best deal is at the time. And I can tell you that a few years ago when I became a lot more serious into computers, I became an ATi fan from the reviews that I read on the [H] (think 9700-9800 days), and then when the 6x00 series started to shine, I leaned more towards their side. Right now I like what I'm seeing in the X1x00 series more than the 7x00, and thats from reading HardOCP as well as this site (nVidia !!!!s, don't go into attack mode. I like the 7x00 series, I just like the possibilities that the new architecture of the x1x00 cards present). So while you say that [H]ardOCP has a huge nVidia bias, I just don't see it. I'm just an average [H] reader, and I'm not being wooed to Green by them.

Just like everything else that you read or see in the world, take it all with a grain of salt, get more sources, consider all of the angles, then decide. And if there is a bias and you get swayed by it, its your own fault.

And like epicstruggle said, if you can't handle what you read on [H], then just stay away from it. Is that so hard?

 

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[H]ard|OCP

I may be a noob here but been around for so many years. So put that out of your mind.
I read the whole thing and after reading it I would have to say the same thing.
The chipset has been a problem and still is get it. I have built so many and I won't any more. Just to many problems way to much work. IF you had the same experience you would to.
I design and build gaming systems mostly high end.
And Ya he could not open the case and try to fix the issue. They get systems to test as if you were buying them or anybody off the street. If it fails to be the standard or high end gaming ready system then you all need to know. Come on now admit it.

Good job done well.
Great job [H]ard|OCP.

 

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Oh what is with the popups. Thats why I guess.

 

[Moloch]

What browser you using?
No popups here in opera, but I get a newegg popup from techreport everytime i leave.. with such a simple popup you would think opera would catch it.

 

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What browser you using? should not mater a popup is a popup. I can here it in the back round. It was behind when I closed this page after reading for awhile.

 

[Reverend]

If only I had that smiley of the guy rolling on the ground.

But it's true.

 

[Tim Murray]

Does every thread in this forum involve "KYLE IS SUCH AN ATI HATER" or "KYLE IS ALWAYS RIGHT?" If drawing attention to his site is his goal, though, he is certainly a god among men.

 

[Moloch]

What browser you using? should not mater a popup is a popup. I can here it in the back round. It was behind when I closed this page after reading for awhile.

yes it should because of built in popup blockers