Gaming tv

[Cheezdoodles]

I need a new gaming tv and I need help!

I want 50"-60" and from what I've managed to read online plasma offers the fastest response time(lowest input lag) in addition to awesome picture quality.

I'm looking at the Samsung e6500 series or the Panasonic st50. Does anyone have experience with these tv's? I'm particularly worried about input lag ruining my gaming experience. I've read that the Samsung has 16ms in pc mode, and did not get any image retention from having a still picture shown for 8 hours. Which sounds pretty good. But I hear the Samsung plasmas have some sort of loud buzzing noise???

Alternatively, what TVs do you recommend?

 

[Gitaroo]

For Plasma go with Panasonic, Pioneer used to the best but I am not sure they are still make anymore plasma. I think they have sold their tech to Panasonic. I own an old Panasonic plasma and some Samsung tv and lcd mon, I can said that all the samsung stuffs were pure garbage. Never again any get thing from Samsung myself. This is just my personal experience, for more professional feed back check AVSforum.

 

[mrcorbo]

I need a new gaming tv and I need help!

I want 50"-60" and from what I've managed to read online plasma offers the fastest response time(lowest input lag) in addition to awesome picture quality.

I'm looking at the Samsung e6500 series or the Panasonic st50. Does anyone have experience with these tv's? I'm particularly worried about input lag ruining my gaming experience. I've read that the Samsung has 16ms in pc mode, and did not get any image retention from having a still picture shown for 8 hours. Which sounds pretty good. But I hear the Samsung plasmas have some sort of loud buzzing noise???

Alternatively, what TVs do you recommend?

Both seem like good choices. I don't have personal experience with either of these models, but poking around AVS forum turned up the following threads.

Here's a thread started by someone trying to choose between those two sets. He went with the Sammy.

.....and the official ST50 discussion thread

....and E6500 owners thread

Hope that helps.

 

[djskribbles]

I frequently post at AVS and HighDefJunkies under the name 'rahzel' and I have extensively researched these two models because I was considering them myself. I ultimately went with the ST50 because PQ is my main concern. Anyway, basically they are two of the best price/performance sets this year and each model has pros and cons.

ST50:
Better black levels
Significantly brighter (good blacks + bright whites = higher contrast ratio)

E6500:
Less prone to image retention

Both have excellent color accuracy and fairly low input lag. I went with the ST50 because of the higher contrast ratio and the brighter picture. The E6500 really wouldn't be ideal for anything other than a dark or dimly lit room. The peak brightness is ~30 foot lamberts, which is considered to be too dim for brighter rooms. The big plus of the E6500 is that it's pretty hard to get image retention. I haven't seen any IR on my ST50 (I'm more of a casual gamer, though), but I have seen quite a few complaints on the Panasonic plasmas.

 

[tuna]

I got an ST50 and Rock band 3 claims the input lag is around 48 ms in 720p input mode.

 

[Laa-Yosh]

I have an ST50 too, pretty much liking it although not sure if the HDMI settings on my Xbox are correct yet
You just need to set game mode from the presets to get the lowest lag possible.

These were the articles that convinced me:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42st50b-p42st50-201203191731.htm
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50st50b-p50st50-201207041899.htm

It was a bit annoying that there's a demo mode that displays stupid Vierra stuff on screen every 15 minutes and has to be turned off with controls buried in the menu... Otherwise I have no complaints so far.

 

[Cheezdoodles]

I got an ST50 and Rock band 3 claims the input lag is around 48 ms in 720p input mode.

Ouch that is way to High for me. Guess i go for the Samsung, since its claimed to have 16 ms with pc mode

 

[tuna]

The ST50 is also claimed to have 16 ms input lag. Try to test the TV before if you can.

 

[Laa-Yosh]

Yeah, 16ms has been measured by hdtvtest.co.uk in gaming mode. Tuna you should look at your settings if you get 48ms

 

[tuna]

Yeah, 16ms has been measured by hdtvtest.co.uk in gaming mode. Tuna you should look at your settings if you get 48ms

Do you have a link to that? Also, what input signal did they get? 720p? 1080p?

 

[Laa-Yosh]

Here, look at input lag:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50st50b-p50st50-201207041899.htm

Or check my other link above for the 42 inch version, that's a more detailed review.

Fortunately, gaming performance is excellent, clocking in at just 16ms in the “Game” mode – one of the smallest results we’ve ever measured, and consistent with the rest of Panasonic’s non-top-end HDTVs (the more expensive models tend to have a little bit more lag).

 

[djskribbles]

hdtvtest are the best HDTV reviewers in the business. Too bad there isn't an equivalent review site for us North Americans.

btw, Rock Band isn't the best test to use for input lag.

 

[tuna]

btw, Rock Band isn't the best test to use for input lag.

Ok, what is better to use?

 

[Cheezdoodles]

Yeah, 16ms has been measured by hdtvtest.co.uk in gaming mode. Tuna you should look at your settings if you get 48ms

I've read elsewhere that the Panasonic has more input lag than the st30..

 

[Cheezdoodles]

Ok, what is better to use?

Best way is to hook up a laptop to a crt/tv you know the input lag of, and the tv you want to test. Then start a stop watch on the screen with milliseconds showing. Take a picture

 

[tuna]

Best way is to hook up a laptop to a crt/tv you know the input lag of, and the tv you want to test. Then start a stop watch on the screen with milliseconds showing. Take a picture

It is impossible to know the input lag of anything unless you actually test it. How would you know what lag the reference equipment has in your case?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

A CRT has virtually no input lag - it scans exactly what it receives on the analogue input.

 

[djskribbles]

Best way is to hook up a laptop to a crt/tv you know the input lag of, and the tv you want to test. Then start a stop watch on the screen with milliseconds showing. Take a picture

A CRT has virtually no input lag - it scans exactly what it receives on the analogue input.

This. Most people use this method of testing input lag.

 

[tuna]

This. Most people use this method of testing input lag.

Then you only can test the input lag on the analog inputs, not on the HDMI input.

 

[Laa-Yosh]

IIRC Digital Foundry used a device that was using LEDs to show the exact moment when a controller button was pressed and then slow motion video was analyzed to determine the latency. Although they've used it on games only and not on the TV set itself.