Games industry on Revolution

[swanlee]

Rev=DOA

How can you launch a console that will last 4-6 years today without HI-Def support?

if there are 500 US GC games, then most of them are hiding somehwere, it's just a plain as day fact that the GC is not getting much 3rd party support or even 1st party support, and games are trickling out for it at a snails pace,

 

[fearsomepirate]

if there are 500 US GC games, then most of them are hiding somehwere, it's just a plain as day fact that the GC is not getting much 3rd party support or even 1st party support, and games are trickling out for it at a snails pace,

Maybe you didn't notice, but the Gamecube came out almost 5 years ago. Support was pretty good until after E3 2003, and lots of titles just started getting cancelled. The vast majority of releases were cross-platform games (that sold OK until reviewers started crushing the games in reviews for lack of online, despite the fact most gamers don't play online), but that doesn't somehow negate their existence. That "500 games" includes things like EA's Bond, Lord of the Rings, Madden, Medal of Honor, and Need for Speed games (there's around 15-20 games right there), kid games like Tak, Harry Potter, and Sponge Bob, all the Mario Party and sports games, various collections of vintage games, forgotten B-rated games like Bloody Roar and Worms 3D, and so on and so forth.

When you start including all the games and not just the ones you think look hot, there are quite a few. And sadly enough, there are some pretty fun titles in the stacks of games no one ever talked about.

 

[Ty]

Rev=DOA

How can you launch a console that will last 4-6 years today without HI-Def support?

Don't you think your statement is just a bit exaggerated?

Yes, HD support would be nice for the long haul but frankly it isn't necessary imo for the tact Nintendo is taking; less complicated but more "innovative" games. And I own Plasma set.

 

[poopypoo]

ty and fearsome and others put it well. I buy a console from time to time, but I primarily game on a PC. for that reason, I want my console to deliver console genre games, and other things my PC can't do. The rev isn't DOA in my book, because I want to play party games, check out the funky controller, and play... nintendo games with my console. Sure, an xbox360 will play RTS, and racing games, and sports games, but it can't do any of these as well as my PC, and i'd rather shoot myself than voluntarily play a FPS game with a gamepad/controller. The only thing left on consoles is fighting games, and although I'm sad to see them go, my friends aren't geeky enough to play them well, so I get bored with them really really quickly.

Sadly, most pimply (and ok, a vast number of unpimply) shitheads disagree with me. They want stupid games for stupid people, and they want them on a stupid closed-box system that they have to pay a lot of money for, that will be obsolete in three years. And stupid games for stupid people means they have to be graphics, graphics, graphics. Something to astound your neighbors. Something to make you feel like someone you are not! Alas, the Revolution has a tough road to hoe, but it's not hopeless, and I'm looking forward to it.

 

[Teasy]

if there are 500 US GC games, then most of them are hiding somehwere, it's just a plain as day fact that the GC is not getting much 3rd party support or even 1st party support, and games are trickling out for it at a snails pace,

I said there are around 500 GC games released in the US alone, not 500 being released at the moment... You claimed that GameCube never had any real support, well just over 500 GameCube games available in the US alone (an average of 100 a year since GC was released) says otherwise.

 

[Johnny Awesome]

The Revolution will be a niche product IMO. A lot of hardcore Nintendo fans and little kids will pick it up, much like the Gamecube. It will be profitable for Nintendo.

 

[fearsomepirate]

a stupid closed-box system that they have to pay a lot of money for, that will be obsolete in three years.

a) They don't have to pay a lot of money for it considering the hardware they're getting.

b) A console is obsolete when fun new games stop coming out for it, not when there exists an integrated circuit somewhere with better pixel shaders. I admit that GRAFX GRAFX OMG GRAFX isn't the best reason to buy a console later in life, but that doesn't completely negate it, either.

 

[darkblu]

The Revolution will be a niche product IMO. A lot of hardcore Nintendo fans and little kids will pick it up, much like the Gamecube. It will be profitable for Nintendo.

johnny boy, did you not get a restraining order for not posting in nintendo threads?

 

[swanlee]

Compared to the PS2 and Xbox the GC had the worst 3rd party and 1st party support, look at the release shcedule over the last 5 years, PS2 and Xbox are pumping out games at a much higher rate than the GC. This combined with a similar lack of support during the life of the N64 is not a good sign for nintendo. Can any of you honestly sit there and tell me that the GC was supported by 3rd party and 1st party as well as the PS2 or Xbox? Am I the only one that see's tons of games for PS2 and Xbox but by comparison not many for the GC?

With the Rev nintendo is yet again isolating 3rd party devs by making their system hard to release games for. Lack of HD and an odd controller means that devs have to spend extra time and money to develop games for it. Just like with the N64 using cartridges and the GC using Small DVD's.

It seems nintendo will never learn, Rev will be a niche product because thats all nintendo seems to want to make it. It's like they have given up trying to make a state of the art console with a lot of support.

I as a gamer aint buying it anymore, they are going to cripple their console out of the gates and expect me to put up with a lack of games while Sony and MS have state of the art consoles whihc will actually get a lot of 3rd party and 1st party support.

 

[ninzel]

The Revolution will be a niche product IMO. A lot of hardcore Nintendo fans and little kids will pick it up, much like the Gamecube. It will be profitable for Nintendo.

Actually the Revolution looks to be the most mainstream of all the next gen systems. Whether it fulfils that potential depends very much on the mainstream,outside the gaming mianstream.

 

[Nicked]

Actually the Revolution looks to be the most mainstream of all the next gen systems.

How so?

 

[ninzel]

How so?

Controller, pricing, type of projected content for 3. The demphasis on technology for technology sake, styling, simpler games for download.
Taking individualy they arent persuasive, but put together they are a more mainstream package than the others.

 

[pc999]

swanlee

There is already (or at least it seems) a lot of third partys are working on Rev games.
It is said tha making a game for Rev is cheaper than for GC.
So I doubt it will have little suport.

 

[NANOTEC]

The controller is more intuitive. Everyone and their grandmother can pickup a pointer to point to things.

 

[Nicked]

The controller is more intuitive. Everyone and their grandmother can pickup a pointer to point to things.

Apart from the own unique challenges that poses to ergonomics - not to mention whether a non-gamer would be willing to wave it around - ;
http://beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=715015&postcount=33

 

[NANOTEC]

Apart from the own unique challenges that poses to ergonomics - not to mention whether a non-gamer would be willing to wave it around - ;
http://beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=715015&postcount=33

Movement of the onscreen action is the most difficult action of them all. Pushing buttons and setting up sensors is secondary. A tv remote has buttons too right?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Sadly, most pimply (and ok, a vast number of unpimply) shitheads disagree with me. They want stupid games for stupid people, and they want them on a stupid closed-box system that they have to pay a lot of money for, that will be obsolete in three years.

The PC necessary to outdo a console costs a lot more money than the console does! By the time the console tech is 'obselete' (PS2 was producing better cisuals 3 years into it's life than many a PC game) the machine that renders it obselete, the top-end PC, costs $stupid.

Economy is the worst argument you can levy against consoles!

 

[fearsomepirate]

the machine that renders it obselete, the top-end PC, costs $stupid.

And has a grand total of two games available that truly make use of the hardware available.

 

[swanlee]

"There is already (or at least it seems) a lot of third partys are working on Rev games.
It is said tha making a game for Rev is cheaper than for GC.
So I doubt it will have little suport."

The same was said for the GC and look how that turned out, the GC died before it's time due to lack of support, the N64 also had a alck of support. Nintendo is showing a pattern of under supporting their consoles and letting them die before their time. Can anyone honestly say that the N64 and GC had the same type of support that sony and MS have put behind their consoles? Can anyone honestly say that the last two nintendo consoles had the same type of 3rd party support?

Why are 3rd party's going to take the time and money to downgrade their games and re configure their controller settings for a console that will have the smallest user base, and is technically handi capped out of the gate.

GC had the best chance for nintendo last gen, the hardware was capable of keeping up the the Xbox and was a lot better than the PS2 but nintendo seriously dropped the ball on providing quality games and garnering full 3rd party support. nintendo simply doesn't seemed to have learned anything and they are going to further alienate Developers this gen.

 

[pc999]

First you dont know if they will need to downgrade their games at all, second you dont now if it will have the smalest user base, plus I think that they learned a lot: free online, low prices, innovation, a lot of new kind of games posssible (like some of the best sellers RTS), it seems prepared for a new and a old market (with old games and nice specs I am sure it will get a lot of gamers), and a lot of of third party suport (low prices alone is enought for that)(1000+ dev kits, if there is 5 per softwarehouse that means there are 200 working on Rev).