GamePro gets 360 Debug kit (power supply?)

[London Geezer]

yea i registered to give u that information

That pic you posted has made the rounds on this site at least once before, but I still thank you for your effort.

You basically told him he could have avoided registering.

 

[Hitman006xp]

dose it matter that it was alredy seen somewhere on this site?
I read this whole thread... and some people where asking...

Andin this thread wasn't any link to that pic... and i know that these pictures has been removed from all official sites by request from Microsoft... and that it's not so easy to find these pictures anymore... but i still had all the pics and posted this one cause of the PSU discoussion in THIS thread^^

so let's all be happy and get ready to buy a Xbox360 on Dec.2nd (at least here in germany nov.22nd in USA right? At least on that Wallmart pics of the Kiosk stood available nov. 22nd

 

[mckmas8808]

It's funny how far joystiq will go to make the Xbox 360 look better, while they go out of their way to make the PS3 look worst by speading incorrect information of the Blu-ray drive.

 

[randycat99]

wow thing pumps out 200+ wattage

Yes, that is an impressive hunk of power supply there! That is just the output, not to mention that is some serious current flowing on that 12v line.

Consider the input rating which tells you how much power that supply is sucking down to actually create the clean, computer grade DC at the output...600 friggen watts! (at max load and short term, of course) This is one serious power supply- no doubt about it. Running at high loads for sustained periods, that thing is gonna get toasty with 300-400 W to dissipate in waste heat alone.

This now gives us some context as to if it really is "big" or "small". I think it is impressive it isn't bigger, given the power ratings. At the least, it is ballsy the thing isn't packaged in an integrated, hefty aluminum heatsink chassis, rather than wrapped in plastic. I think it is pretty clear by now this ain't no switching PSU, either.

EDIT: That "600 W" figure may need some extra calculation since it pertains to an AC condition. I've long since forgotten what the pertaining equation is...something to do with RMS and square roots, blah-blah-blah. Maybe 420 W or so (which would jive well with a typical 50% conversion efficiency which results in the 200-ish W DC output).

 

[Guden Oden]

dose it matter that it was alredy seen somewhere on this site?

No, not really. Just mentioned it, that's all (gotta maintain the site's rep as a place where the news is hot you know! )

Randy,
The input current on the PSU isn't 600W, that's patently rediculous to say the least. It's not even going to be 400W, because well-designed PSUs aren't only 50% efficient. Yes, I assume MS will include a well-designed PSU. They're just incredibly greedy, not not inept.

At 70% efficiency at max rating (which is fairly normal with PSUs from what I've read) it'd likely draw around 260W input power.

 

[randycat99]

You don't have to guess, if you know the AC power equations. The required data points are provided right in the picture. I agree that 600 W is not the right figure (as was already indicated in my earlier post).

Fwiw, "input current" is not measured in "watts".

 

[one]

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000693064752/

Now we’ve recieved another shot of the brick power supply connected to an Xbox 360. This time we’re pretty much assured it’s a retail model since it’s connected to an Xbox 360 in the display case, in a Wal-Mart. Bummer.

 

[one]

According to Famitsu, the max power consumption of Xbox 360 is 254W. In idle time it's 116W. The AC adaptor has 2 fans and the dimension is 210mm x 75mm x 54mm.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

2 fans in the adapter? And there'll need to be 1 or 2 fans in the XB360 to dissipate that 200+ watts heat beign generated. Hopefully they're big, slow, quiet fans, accounting for the PSU's size.

 

[one]

2 fans in the adapter? And there'll need to be 1 or 2 fans in the XB360 to dissipate that 200+ watts heat beign generated. Hopefully they're big, slow, quiet fans, accounting for the PSU's size.

As the wattage for the devkit PSU was 213W, they might add fans and thicken it for the extra security of the retail version. FYI, the chart in the right side of the pic reads like

Xbox 360 - max 254W/idle 116W
Xbox - max 200W
Playstation 2 - 45W
Gamecube - 39W
iron - 1000W
microwave - 600W
desktop PC - 100W
TV - 90W
fridge - 60W
notebook PC - 40W

 

[Shifty Geezer]

That's the new PS2 I presume. Don't suppose anyone knows what the original PS2 drew? And 200 W for the XB, that thing was loud.

 

[randycat99]

2 fans in the adapter?...Hopefully they're big, slow, quiet fans, accounting for the PSU's size.

I'd say the giant iron bar transformer inside accounts for the PSU's size.

 

[randycat99]

That's the new PS2 I presume. Don't suppose anyone knows what the original PS2 drew? And 200 W for the XB, that thing was loud.

I have an "older" model (but not the 1st edition) that lists 75W for the "input" power consumption. So maybe 40 W wouldn't be far off for the actual DC power consumption of the console. (Then again, maybe this list of power ratings isn't keeping the distinction between AC input and DC output intact, so comparisons could be pointless for this data?)

 

[Ty]

So at the end of the day, does the Xbox360 indeed consume more watts than the Xbox?

 

[one]

So at the end of the day, does the Xbox360 indeed consume more watts than the Xbox?

Consumes more in gaming, but perhaps less in playing DVD? (2 cores sleeping)

45W is indeed for the new slim PS2
http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/520668.asp

Dimensions:
Approximately 230 mm (W) ×28 mm (H) ×152 mm (D)*internal volume about 23% of the current model

Electrical current consumption (power consumption): Approximately 5.3A (approximately 45W)

The Xbox 360 AC adaptor is almost the same volume as the new PS2 console itself

 

[gurrke]

So at the end of the day, does the Xbox360 indeed consume more watts than the Xbox?

I think so....

 

[gurrke]

Consumes more in gaming, but perhaps less in playing DVD? (2 cores sleeping)

I think one Core + GPU would take more Watt as the old Xbox

 

[one]

kiosk PSU
http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/kiosk/etw2eu.jpg
http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/psu/eu20pt.jpg
http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/psu/eu20w1.jpg

 

[Powderkeg]

So at the end of the day, does the Xbox360 indeed consume more watts than the Xbox?

That depends on what you have attached to it. The power supply not only has to supply the console, but you may have 2 wireless controllers charging via the USB ports while playing and the Camera or wireless adapter all running as well.

It's got to be able to power and charge peripherals as well as the console itself.

 

[Nite_Hawk]

I noticed your edit, and your figures are still way off. Modern desktop drives don't even draw 10W, and much less 20! Check Seagate's site, the Momentus (which is what we'll see in x360 from what I've seen on the web) draws 5W on spinup, less than that when idling. Power draw and heat is essentially negligible where a 1-platter 1-head 2.5" drive is concerned, and even if it was 20W on spinup, you're not going to have either CPU or GPU running at full tilt during system boot.

<shrug> The original Western Digital xbox drive (well, the WD84EB which is close) takes about 18w on spin up. According to the data on the following page, a number of newer drives consumer between 7.6 and 9.5 watts at idle, which isn't much lower than my original 10watt figure (those drives will certainly consume more at spinup). I don't really think my original figures were that far off for 3.5" drives. Considering that the xbox360 is using a 2.5" drive, it's not really relevant either way.

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=diamondmax10&page=2

Nite_Hawk