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Results confirmed - No punishments to Williams / BMW.
Results confirmed - No punishments to Williams / BMW.
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Good. It would be a terrible blow to the public's view of the sport if Hamilton had won in this way. I don't think he'd be very happy with that outcome either.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
Legend
That is such a very good point. Otherwise is it okay to run an illegal car at the end of the season because the FIA will not want to upset the championship status? What if Hamilton had been running illegal fuel and been able to make it to fifth and the world championship?
Can anyone explain to me why McLaren thought 3 pitstops were the way to go for Hamilton? to me it was a wrong decision.
Yes, Kimi smiled, it was worthwhile him (maybe) winning the championship this year just for that alone. He had a very strong second half of the season.
Great to watch, shame about too much off track stuff but the actual races this year and the title battle was very interesting indeed.
Yes, Kimi smiled, it was worthwhile him (maybe) winning the championship this year just for that alone. He had a very strong second half of the season.
Great to watch, shame about too much off track stuff but the actual races this year and the title battle was very interesting indeed.
pocketmoon66
Newcomer
It sets a precedent. Any team can now run 12, 13, 15 degrees under ambient and not face any censure whatsoever.
Rubbish...
Apart from the fact that the discrepancy according to the stewards was between race ambient temp of 37C & that of the contractor employed by the teams. The actual temp of the fuel delivered in the tanks could not be verified by the stewards, hence they dropped the issue. There is a case to be made that both used PetroBras fuel. They may have concocted an "analytically legal" mixture with cooling properties - a la Shell's legal denser fuels. It might pay the stewards to analyze all PetroBras fuel users - but by now that's probably a moot point. If you're going to have one control item in F1, it should be fuel...
The appellate process cannot make a quantifiable determination on the same basis that the race stewards were not able to, so championship standings should stand.
WhiningKhan
Regular
Nah, that shouldn't really make difference since the volume difference of fuel is so miniscule (if you are referring to volume taken by fuel inside the cylinder during the combustion). I'm by no means a racing expert though - if anyone has solid info about this, go ahead and spill your beans please.
Edit: WTF - This post was supposed to be on the next page, reply to DJ12's message! Clock difference between my computer and server???
speed channel here in the states interviewed one of the striker engineers about fuel temperature, he said the cooler fuel would give the engine a bit more power, and also allows them to pump more fuel into the car faster, since it has a higher density. He said the advantage for power was probably, TOPS, 1/10th a second for 3 or 4 laps, and then the advantage is negated... hamilton was well behind all the bmw's, so i'm assuming this was a factor in their decision. While they should be punished, there's no reason to disqualify them for something that had little effect on the 15 second lead over hamilton.
*this was all paraphrased of course, since i was pretty intoxicated when watching the show, so some of my numbers might be slightly off, but what the interview amounted too, is that if they had used proper temp. fuel, hamilton still would have been a long ways behind them at the end of the race*
*this was all paraphrased of course, since i was pretty intoxicated when watching the show, so some of my numbers might be slightly off, but what the interview amounted too, is that if they had used proper temp. fuel, hamilton still would have been a long ways behind them at the end of the race*
chavvdarrr
Veteran
anyone who can explain how getting fuel which is 3 degree's cooler can increase the engine power?!
After all this fuel goes into tanks and obviously will increase its temp very fast, no?
After all this fuel goes into tanks and obviously will increase its temp very fast, no?
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
Legend
Why? it's how Ferrari got their constructors title win this season.
Playing the rules in highly technical sports like motor racing or sailing is just as much a part of the sport as the actual racing. How can you punish one team halfway through the season because of hearsay and speculation, yet not punish other teams when there is clear evidence of a rule breach?
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
Legend
So what's the reason then? The rule is there for a reason, and people like Mike Gascoyne have gone on record as saying it gives the engine more power and the cars should be disqualified.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
Legend
You get a greater density of fuel in the cylinder head, making a more powerful explosion when the spark goes off. It's the same reason why engines give greater power at sea level and in colder temperatures.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
Legend
There was a lot of bleating when Mclaren was in the dock about "they've been found guilty, they should be punished". It should be the same for these other cars. They've been found to infringe the rules, they shouldn't be let off with no sanction.
pocketmoon66
Newcomer
My statement stands. It's not that I didn't consider this outcome.
Even with the new information, as the rules are now it sets a precedent. A team can claim it's measurement of ambient was lower than the FIA's (FOM monitors) and the stewards can't prove it either way.
No doubt there will be a new subsection in the rules for 2008 defining the source of the ambient temp value to be to FOM monitors and not each teams own thermometer.
R.
