Except for Räikkönen, he only did karting series's and 1 or 2 seasons of Formula Renault before F1
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Except for Räikkönen, he only did karting series's and 1 or 2 seasons of Formula Renault before F1
I think you mean Malaysia and not Brazil, in Brazil Montoya pulled off a great piece of overtaking. In Malysia the circumstances were different, no rain and both drivers admitted it was a racing incident. So the reasoning might have been the same but the circumstances were not. In this case the penalty to Kubica was not justified. Whether that means Hamilton is favoured is another kettle of fish.
He had a 56% win rate in Formula Renault so that is quite excellent, and that surely qualified him for the Super License.
Formula Renault is "one class too small" so to say, you normally go at least one "class" up from there before F1, and usually more seasons too
IIRC the team managers had a vote on wether Räikkönen should be given the super license or not
chavvdarrr
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hWIfBkVQUk
The moment when Vettel crashed into Weber - Hamilton goes side by side to the safety car , then goes to right pressing brakes, Weber jumps on brakes - or he'd outrun Hamilton, and ...
PS: oh, great, they got it:
try here:
http://www.f1news.ru/archive/id/18364/
The moment when Vettel crashed into Weber - Hamilton goes side by side to the safety car , then goes to right pressing brakes, Weber jumps on brakes - or he'd outrun Hamilton, and ...
PS: oh, great, they got it:
try here:
http://www.f1news.ru/archive/id/18364/
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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Well Hamilton himself can't pass the safety car, and all the other drivers know that. I'm sure Webber didn't expect Hamilton to pass the safety car and get a penalty to save Webber passing Hamilton and getting a penalty.
However, looking at both the safety car sessions, Hamilton is in my opinion walking a very fine line of what is acceptable in the way he backed up the pack. He's claimed he did it so that his brakes didn't glaze, which would have severely compromise his braking.
Best comment was Mark Webber live on UK TV being asked about the incident:
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Uh oh, don't have any international source for this, but a finnish one (Heikki Kulta)
http://www.turunsanomat.fi/f1/?ts=1...5:0:0:0;4:36:0:0:0,104:34:490114,1:0:0:0:0:0:
During last race, Heikki Kovalainen was told over team radio first to keep longer distance to Hamilton while behind the saftey car (he wanted to try to overtake Hamilton right after safety car goes out and then "what ever you do, don't pass Hamilton"
Where ever the orders originated from, smells again more and more like "no matter what happens in anything, make sure Hamilton gets the championship"
http://www.turunsanomat.fi/f1/?ts=1...5:0:0:0;4:36:0:0:0,104:34:490114,1:0:0:0:0:0:
During last race, Heikki Kovalainen was told over team radio first to keep longer distance to Hamilton while behind the saftey car (he wanted to try to overtake Hamilton right after safety car goes out and then "what ever you do, don't pass Hamilton"
Where ever the orders originated from, smells again more and more like "no matter what happens in anything, make sure Hamilton gets the championship"
What would Renault gain from helping Hamilton win the championship? I must be missing something from the above post.
It seems like some people have a real problem with Hamilton possibly winning the world championship. He has already proven to most that he at least deserves the title, no one has given it to him on a silver plate. He has had to fight a team mate who can be ruthless at times.
Even if Hamilton does not win the world championship he has gained my respect and the respect of millions...
It seems like some people have a real problem with Hamilton possibly winning the world championship. He has already proven to most that he at least deserves the title, no one has given it to him on a silver plate. He has had to fight a team mate who can be ruthless at times.
Even if Hamilton does not win the world championship he has gained my respect and the respect of millions...
The plot thickens 
FOM, the owner of commercial rights to F1, has made YouTube to remove the original video from Fuji, which showed Hamilton's "soloing" behind the safety car, the clip was 20 secs long. Hamilton is suspected to have caused the accident between Webber & Vettel.
This is the first time (as far as I know) where FOM has asked/forced YouTube to remove a video of F1 race from the site.
Luckily, there's some copies still floating around YouTube, hopefully more to come, but here's one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJurnfxRm4
In the video, you can see how Webber had to slow down so he wouldn't pass Hamilton, which would have meant a penalty for Webber
FOM, the owner of commercial rights to F1, has made YouTube to remove the original video from Fuji, which showed Hamilton's "soloing" behind the safety car, the clip was 20 secs long. Hamilton is suspected to have caused the accident between Webber & Vettel.
This is the first time (as far as I know) where FOM has asked/forced YouTube to remove a video of F1 race from the site.
Luckily, there's some copies still floating around YouTube, hopefully more to come, but here's one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJurnfxRm4
In the video, you can see how Webber had to slow down so he wouldn't pass Hamilton, which would have meant a penalty for Webber
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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No, it sounds like the team were telling a rookie driver that he mustn't pass Hamilton while behind the safety car. He has to wait until after they go over the start/finish line when Hamilton takes over the safety car position or else he would be penalised.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
Legend
The plot thickens
FOM, the owner of commercial rights to F1, has made YouTube to remove the original video from Fuji, which showed Hamilton's "soloing" behind the safety car, the clip was 20 secs long. Hamilton is suspected to have caused the accident between Webber & Vettel.
This is the first time (as far as I know) where FOM has asked/forced YouTube to remove a video of F1 race from the site.
Luckily, there's some copies still floating around YouTube, hopefully more to come, but here's one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJurnfxRm4
In the video, you can see how Webber had to slow down so he wouldn't pass Hamilton, which would have meant a penalty for Webber
Almost exactly the same footage was on the UK transmission (and the highlight/repeat shows). Looks like Hamilton took a wide line while backing the pack up. He says he was trying to see what Webber was doing and getting out of the spray from the safety car. Looks like he was backing up the pack as well, Webber got caught out and had to slow right down, and Vettel got caught out by both of them.
Looks to me like both Vettel and Webber should have been paying more attention, and not got themselves into the position where they find themselves both running in front of the car ahead of them while they are not allowed to pass.
Regardless if they should have payed more attention, Hamilton was still driving against the rules:
http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/5251/fia.html
40.7 Any car being driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or which is deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers at any time whilst the safety car is deployed will be reported to the stewards. This will apply whether any such car is being driven on the track, the pit entry or the pit lane.
40.8 All competing cars must then form up in line behind the safety car no more than 5 car lengths apart and overtaking,
When you take into account you have to be within 5 car lengths, such driving by Hamilton is CLEARLY against the rules, he should drive clearly in line behind the safety car, and by the time Webber & Vettel crashed, Hamilton was way, way further than 5 car lengths from the safety car
Everyone in F1 knows that you can't pass behind safety car, they don't go telling such common knowledge on radio
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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Everyone in F1 knows that you can't pass behind safety car, they don't go telling such common knowledge on radio
If you want to emphasise the point, if you want to make sure the rookie driver doesn't jump the gun you tell them. Someone should probably have told Vettel not to run into the car in front.
You hear the crews during qualifying reminding experienced drivers to make sure they go fast enough to get their fuel rebate, and reset their engines to low fuel mode at the end of the sessions to conserve fuel, so I don't see why they wouldn't remind a rookie not to accidentally overtake a car when he shouldn't and end up screwing his race with a drive through penalty.
And there are some circumstances when you can pass the safety car, such as when you are unlapping yourself.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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Or even to slow down for the pit lane! But duhh, everyone knows you're supposed to slow down for the pit lane. Except the drivers apparently...
