first r420 review leak

Stryyder said:
Looks like with AA and AF turned on the Pro matches the 6800U and the XT beats it in these benchies.

Assuming these shots are real, looks like the Nvidia/ATI have switched roles. ATI with more clock and Nvidia being more 'efficient' although ATI is still in the lead.
 
surfhurleydude said:
Well, it now seems pretty clear -

This seems like 9800 Pro vs 5950 all over again, except the NV40 legitimately performs on almost equal footing with the X800 Pro...

I don't know if I'd classify this as a repeat of the 9800 vs. 5950. The 9800, for all intents and purposes, stomped the 5950 75% of the time. This is definitely not a stomping.
 
surfhurleydude said:
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X800 Pro looks like a fucking steal for 299.99 though...
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Where did you get that $299 from? Even Hellbinder the crazy ATI man :) says $399 for the Pro and $499 for the XT. If I could get an x800Pro for $299, it would defintely sway my new card purchase more towards ATI.
 
Geeforcer said:
What bandwidth does XT have? What does Pro have?
From Ulukay's link on this page:
Radeon X800 Platinum : 525 MHz core clock, 1120 MHz GDDR3, 16 pixel pipelines, US$499
Radeon X800 Pro : 475 MHz core clock, 900 MHz GDDR, 12 pixel pipelines, US$299
I have my doubts a 256MB X800P will sell for only $300, but I won't complain if it will. :)
 
Ardrid said:
surfhurleydude said:
Well, it now seems pretty clear -

This seems like 9800 Pro vs 5950 all over again, except the NV40 legitimately performs on almost equal footing with the X800 Pro...

I don't know if I'd classify this as a repeat of the 9800 vs. 5950. The 9800, for all intents and purposes, stomped the 5950 75% of the time. This is definitely not a stomping.

Well, I've had both a 5950 and my current 9800 Pro. I'd say from my own personal experiences they are pretty much as fast as each other, except one sacrificies IQ for the speed it has.

This time they are pretty much as fast as each other as well, but without the IQ hacking.

As for the Radeon X800 Pro pricing, check the 3DCenter thread.
 
surfhurleydude said:
I have this odd feeling that if you're interested in Doom 3, or any games based off of its engine, the X800 series is not for you.

Dunno about the rest of you but I've been predicting that since the FX's were coming out. Not that I care, Doom 3 looks like it will be rather non-interesting. HL2 all the way.
 
If we assume 6gpix/s for X800 PRO, then ~50% higher yields 9gpix/s for the X800XT. 9gpix/16 pipes = ~562Mhz =~ 550Mhz. The question becomes, does the X800XT have more than 8 extreme pipes? Do all R420's start out with 16 xtreme pipes, but like with "quad disablement" (16->12) there is also "ALU disablement"? Perhaps in general, many of the extra ALUs are bad, so the challenge is finding atleast 3 quads that are good (12 pipes) and having atleast 16 good ALUs in 2 of the quads (8 extreme pipes), but only 4 good ones in the other?

Does this introduce the possibility of a later X800XT that has 16 full extreme pipelines as yields go up?
 
If the Farcry scores are real, Im pretty impressed. Even if the GPU isnt being stressed that much. Almost 20fps more, without the leaked drivers. Farcry has a LOT of issues with NV cards. The 1.1 patch gave them a FPS boost, but caused lots of bugs. Same for the leaked drivers, gave a huge FPS boost, but caused lots of bugs.

Hopefully someone will put up some comparison shots to show the difference in the two. If they even had time to bench it with the leaked drivers.
 
Tom's Hardware is a complete joke. Go back and read his review of the 6800. He benchmarked nine games...all nine of them were "TWIMTBP" games. It's no surprise that Breed and FarCry, "TWIMTBP" games, were used. I guarantee all the games he benchmarked for his X800 review are also "TWIMTBP" games. It is by far the absolute most nVidia biased site on the internet.
 
JBark said:
surfhurleydude said:
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X800 Pro looks like a fucking steal for 299.99 though...
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Where did you get that $299 from? Even Hellbinder the crazy ATI man :) says $399 for the Pro and $499 for the XT. If I could get an x800Pro for $299, it would defintely sway my new card purchase more towards ATI.

£299.99 ?


Derek
 
Radeon X800 Platinum : 525 MHz core clock, 1120 MHz GDDR3, 16 pixel pipelines, US$499
Radeon X800 Pro : 475 MHz core clock, 900 MHz GDDR, 12 pixel pipelines, US$299

Interesting ATI Pro 475/900/12 matching NV Ultra 400/1100/16 shows a superior architecture for ATI but ATI XT 525/1120/16 not much better?

Also what's up with the ridiculous advantage of Nv in Call of Duty?
 
ChrisW said:
Tom's Hardware is a complete joke. Go back and read his review of the 6800. He benchmarked nine games...all nine of them were "TWIMTBP" games. It's no surprise that Breed and FarCry, "TWIMTBP" games, were used. I guarantee all the games he benchmarked for his X800 review are also "TWIMTBP" games.

Yup Tom's Hardware is as impartial as Moveon.Org is...

You learn more from what Tom doesn't say or do then you do from what he says and does.
 
surfhurleydude said:
I have this odd feeling that if you're interested in Doom 3, or any games based off of its engine, the X800 series is not for you.

Let me guess : "c0z nViDiA rulezzz teh OEPNGL!!11!!", right? :rolleyes:
 
Those scores are really odd. The X800XT has 47% more fillrate and 24% more memory bandwidth, and yet with AA/AF, situations one would expect it to scream past the X800 Pro, it's only barely faster? Does anyone else find that just a bit odd, even at 1280x1024? At 1600x1200 the expected performance delta between the two cards shows up in force, but 1280? Weird..... Who'd have thought 1280 would be cpu limited.

Someone got an Athlon 64? :LOL:
 
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