first r420 review leak

[Godmode]

Why are the XT's 4 extra pipes making so little of a difference?

Because the CPU is to slow!! It cant provide enough data for the GPU!

 

[Joe DeFuria]

Why are the XT's 4 extra pipes making so little of a difference?

Sorry to yell, but....

LIKELY TO BE MOSTLY CPU LIMITED AT THESE SETTINGS

 

[mreman4k]

I want to see 16x12 with 4xAA/16xAF...looks good though. I wonder how this leak came about?

 

[Natoma]

If real, this is a bad reflection on Toms Hardware imo. Who in the world would pay $300+ for a videocard to play on "normal" settings? *cough* jack up the res, textures, AA/AF, et al *cough*

 

[Godmode]

I want to see 16x12 with 4xAA/16xAF...looks good though. I wonder how this leak came about?

Quasar from 3DC said that THG put their review for a few minutes online!

 

[Johnny Rotten]

Why are the XT's 4 extra pipes making so little of a difference?

Sorry to yell, but....

LIKELY TO BE MOSTLY CPU LIMITED AT THESE SETTINGS

My only problem with that is the actual margin between the pro/XT is pretty large for being 'likely cpu limited'.

 

[Eronarn]

Woo.

Funny to see that the X800's are beating the hell out of the 6800's in Far Cry.

Look at the min FPS!!

and in 1024 without AA/AF it is CPU limited!

Min FPS? You mean the 1 FPS difference? I was mainly referring to the fact that it's using the CheatWare 61.11 drivers, which should make the 6800 a LOT faster compared to the Pro/XT. And CPU limited? Okay. Why's the NV40 running slower, then? It's the same CPU in each, so unless it has some problems, it should have a FPS equal to the Pro/XT at least.

 

[Pete]

So only two 10x7 benches escaped? Not much of a leak, but I guess it's *something.* Thanks for the heads-up.

 

[Ardrid]

Sigh...here comes the cheating bs again.

 

[Heathen]

Now, everyone talk a deep breath and calm down. I's less than 24 hrs until we get reall figures for the R420 I'm sure we can all wait.

 

[Kombatant]

Why are the XT's 4 extra pipes making so little of a difference?

Sorry to yell, but....

LIKELY TO BE MOSTLY CPU LIMITED AT THESE SETTINGS

I think you should have used bigger letters, someone might actually miss what you're trying to say here

Btw what's with the review leaking lately? First [H], now this... new trend or something?

 

[Joe DeFuria]

My only problem with that is the actual margin between the pro/XT is pretty large for being 'likely cpu limited'.

Less than 10% difference is large?

I'm not saying it's an insignificant difference...but it's certainly no where near a theoretical 25-30% or so difference one would expect for a gpu limited benchmark based on rumored specs.

 

[flick556]

Perhaps, but if they were CPU limited, the X800XT wouldn't have higher FPS than the X800 Pro, assuming they are both using the same driver set.

??

I said mostly CPU limited. No game test is either going to be 100% one way or the other.

These don't say much, AA + AF will tell the whole story.

Agree there. Hell, even 1600x1200 with "high quality" settings would tell a better story than 1024x768 with normal quality...

You said the x800xt should not have higher fps than the x800 pro in a mostly cpu limited benchmark.

I'am saying it can because the cpu limited parts of the benchmark might have the same fps between the two cards, but the non cpu limited parts should still have quite a bit of variation, thus the overall average fps of the x800 xt should be a little higher than the x800 pro.

The more cpu limited the benchmark is the less this variation in average fps will show.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

You said the x800xt should not have higher fps than the x800 pro in a mostly cpu limited benchmark.

Where did I say that?

I'm saying I would expect the XT to have significant differences over the Pro in a mostly CPU limited benchmark. Not identical performance.

The more cpu limited the benchmark is the less this variation in average fps will show.

Um, right. So why is there any disagreement here? I'm saying it's likely to be largely CPU limited.

 

[Hellbinder]

Honestly people..

You are not seeing the Cards with AA+AF.

Consider that and the Numers with just normal settings look pretty good. Especially for the X800pro eh?

 

[Johnny Rotten]

My only problem with that is the actual margin between the pro/XT is pretty large for being 'likely cpu limited'.

Less than 10% difference is large?

I'm not saying it's an insignificant difference...but it's certainly no where near a theoretical 25-30% or so difference one would expect for a gpu limited benchmark based on rumored specs.

Most benches that are genuinely cpu limited have variances <= 1-2%. The margin there is very nearly 10%. That is a significant delta for being 'cpu limited'.

 

[mreman4k]

I want to see 16x12 with 4xAA/16xAF...looks good though. I wonder how this leak came about?

Quasar from 3DC said that THG put their review for a few minutes online!

I wonder why they put it up?

 

[flick556]

A nice line graph showning the fps over time would make all clear.

 

[Dave Baumann]

The margin there is very nearly 10%. That is a significant delta for being 'cpu limited'.

Not if the theoretical performance difference is closer to 50%.

 

[Jimmers]

A nice line graph showning the fps over time would make all clear.

LOL. Actually, I like the way that [H] does their reviews.