Final PS3 Dev Kit and Menu Video
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CountZeroInt's home domain would suggest he has a dog in the fight. Beyond3D welcomes all comers, and particularly those with insight, but would encourage folks who intend to make pointed comments about competitors products to disclose their personal professional/financial interest, at least broadly if not specifically.
Now I understand why CountZeroInt has a special tag at GAF.
I don't think Sony would ever be prepared to jettison Blu-Ray from the PS3. Such a proposal is ridiculous. Certainly the company is as stubborn as they come and will stick to a format to the bitter end. The console will sell out initially (maybe not so fast in Japan) and a price cut should be scheduled for 2007. Releasing a Blu-Ray less PS3 will splinter the market and totally destroy consumer confidence in the brand. The total opposite of Sony’s actions from past history viz. the brand (backwards compatibility)
I don't think Sony would ever be prepared to jettison Blu-Ray from the PS3. Such a proposal is ridiculous. Certainly the company is as stubborn as they come and will stick to a format to the bitter end. The console will sell out initially (maybe not so fast in Japan) and a price cut should be scheduled for 2007. Releasing a Blu-Ray less PS3 will splinter the market and totally destroy consumer confidence in the brand. The total opposite of Sony’s actions from past history viz. the brand (backwards compatibility)
Like Mark Rein from Epic who said that Sony is in better position than MS last year?
MS shipped final kits just weeks before launch, no?
So is this guy Count really a MS cronie? His post wreaks of it; he has to be on the payroll.
His post seems to be a semi-intelligent flame based on information that is quite commonly known. Unfortunately it falls apart when he talks about how Sony hasn't faced any difficult tests with console production, and that they will drop BR from the PS3. I don't know about any of you, but getting through 3 console launches is damn difficult enough, this is their 4th now. The logistics that must go into putting together a game system of the calibur of PS3 or 360 or Wii must be mind boggling. I don't think this generation may be even easier for Sony considering all their past experience.
As for the Blu-Ray comment, that is beyond ridiculous. Why would Sony launch every system with BR and then cut it next year? Especially when almost every game, if not every game launching between now and then will be on Blu-Ray, and this is Sony's key to winning this generation. I mean we already know that Resistance, a couple weeks ago, clocked in at 22 gigabytes in size, and it's not even final yet. Considering 50 gb discs weren't being manufactured properly back then, Insomniac may have been shooting for 25, and with the 50 gig discs coming out, they could shoot even higher.
His post seems to be a semi-intelligent flame based on information that is quite commonly known. Unfortunately it falls apart when he talks about how Sony hasn't faced any difficult tests with console production, and that they will drop BR from the PS3. I don't know about any of you, but getting through 3 console launches is damn difficult enough, this is their 4th now. The logistics that must go into putting together a game system of the calibur of PS3 or 360 or Wii must be mind boggling. I don't think this generation may be even easier for Sony considering all their past experience.
As for the Blu-Ray comment, that is beyond ridiculous. Why would Sony launch every system with BR and then cut it next year? Especially when almost every game, if not every game launching between now and then will be on Blu-Ray, and this is Sony's key to winning this generation. I mean we already know that Resistance, a couple weeks ago, clocked in at 22 gigabytes in size, and it's not even final yet. Considering 50 gb discs weren't being manufactured properly back then, Insomniac may have been shooting for 25, and with the 50 gig discs coming out, they could shoot even higher.
Well, there is a rumour floating around that the Samsung Blu-Ray player can't play Dual Layer disks. If this is because of a hardware rather than a media or software problem then it might be a problem if PS3 is also released with drives the can't read dual layer movies. Considering the level of penetration the PS3 is expected to have it would be a very very bad thing if they couldn't play all movies.
Of course I've no idea how reliable the reports of the Samsung Dual Layer problems are, but Blu-Ray dual layer is no where to be seen yet so it may not be anything to worry about.
Of course I've no idea how reliable the reports of the Samsung Dual Layer problems are, but Blu-Ray dual layer is no where to be seen yet so it may not be anything to worry about.
"Disaster" comes to mind as an accurate descriptor if that turned out to be the case.
They should also hang around to discuss their points. Otherwise it comes across as a drive-by flamebait if they can't back their opinions up with some intelligent debate. eg. explain why for the next year Sony are going to sit on their hardware without manufacturing any and drop a key element when they do decide to launch, rather than just saying 'that's what they're going to do'.
Yeah "that rumour" comes from people not able to read manual.
And it´s been killed, burried and killed again a few times. Maybe rumours on the internet should just be called lies until they are confirmed.
Click CountZero's name in his post and check out his previous 17 "contributions", if they're not outright FUDing PS3, they're in almost all cases actively cheering on the 360. IMO, Neeyik, Marco or Kristof ought to lodge some sort of formal protest with Microsoft if they are indeed the force behind this scummy character.BUSTED!
MS can't be held responsible for what an employee is saying in their spare time. Free speech and all that jazz. Only if MS are employing this guy to say certain things is it unfair practice, and who's to say Sony don't pay for FB's to invade forums and spread their nefarious idiology? I know I've been accused of such before!
I think it better for people to just use the old rep feature. For me, if Mr. Count doesn't come back with some intelligent arguments to back up his ideas, I'm going to interpret it as FUDing and wield the Scales of Justice. If others here feel the same way, his rep will render his opinions worthless. And if they agree with him, his rep'll show he just has a very different POV!
Apart from the fact that Kristof and Marco are no longer part of the site and haven't been for a while now, what exactly would we say? "Oi Microsoft! Somebody who might be working for you is saying nasty things about a competitor! Tell them to stop it!" Yeah, that would work well...
Might get that employee a pay rise!
Heh, I'm the head of the NSA 'round here!
Usually this type of situation, when someone with a clearly vested interest is being a bit too critical with their competitor's product, are handled behind the scene. But in this case, the post was a bit "too much", and after Mmmkay, bleon and Bad_Boy posts, we decided to make clear that the members should take CountZeroInt's post with a grain of salt.
We can't held any company responsible for the posts made by some of their employes. As long as they're not from viral marketers - who are working for discrete marketing companies, no company would ever use guerrilla marketing "directly" - but only overzealous employes, that is.Guden Oden said:
By the way, Marco and Kristof aren't working on the site anymore. Since a while actually.
And yes, no need to point to the contact page, we know that it's outdated.
Edit: beaten by Neeyik!
I'll get you, one day, pesky deputy dawg!
I'm curious as to what you have heard.
I'm no expert on building a console, but I get the feeling there are people on this forum who are. I also think it's pretty damned obvious that things are 'cut close' in the console industry ;-)
Well, No.
If the pictures from the Inq are to be believed, final box machines are out in the wild. And also, if this forum is to be believed, they were around prior to E3 this year as well.
It's one thing to have it all in a box with a brand, but even so, a 'release spec' dev kit should still suffice for this purpose. Sony have mentioned the current dev kits include to-spec BD writers for those developers finalising the disk/testing for read speed bottlenecks, etc.
Also,
Debug kits for the 360 were know about very early on last year, there were pictures floating about of the black beasts way back in june 2005 (I think) - further I saw my first retail spec 360 publicly on august 3rd 2005. This was before major manufacturing began, so this makes the argument (at least) in comparison to the 360 somewhat... er... wrong
You make it sound like you are a developer with access to a dev kit? no? Otherwise I'd kinda expect dev's to be given a thick manual or 3 with their shiny black box explaining any questions they may have.
This is a possibility, but only if the vast majority of games ship on BD9s. From a marketing perspective for sony to do this would be to state 'we believe bluray is dead'. Sony won't do that, they don't give up on things even if they are utter disasters (eg, umd movies). And by the end of next year I'd expect the drive will be far cheaper to produce anyway.
It's all well and good to think the PS3 will bomb horribly, but I doubt it. Taking inflation into account, the 60gb PS3 is about $50nz more expensive than the PS2 was on release. The 20gb is cheaper. The PS2, like everywhere else, is stupidly successful here. It is unlikely the PS3 will be as successful, but it will *not* be a failure.
To refer back to previous discussion on secret functionality in PS3..
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=9486
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=9486
Good work Mr. Phelps. Your next assignment, (should you choose to accept it), will be to find out just how he's getting positive reputation.
I neg repped him for his comment yesterday and made him go red, by the time I posted to this thread he was at gray and when I checked 5 minutes later he was on green. I'm willing to bet he has some cohorts or multiple accounts and is protecting his rep.
Is there a way to check who gave him those reps? I know you can't tell me, but if you could check to make sure they're legit it'd do a lot to ease my mind. If they're not legit could I suggest an LB treatment to his and all who helped him's rep? They seem to care about rep more than banning....
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