Digital Foundry Microsoft Xbox Scorpio Reveal [2017: 04-06, 04-11, 04-15, 04-16]

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  1. whome0

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    Is this Scorpio Jaguar CPU GHz kind of like AMD turbo mode peak value?

    And that tweet is gone no longer available.
     
  2. Cyan

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    I liked what @function mentioned. The command processor on the GPU literally liberating the CPU from draw calls. Really loved that. However, specs wise I am still torn. We shall see. If Scorpio is half PC half console then I am going to buy it day one!! If not, I will get a PC with Ryzen and Vega.
     
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    Just a thought that I didn't hear answered, but will I be able to take my current external with my X1/X360 games on it and plug it into Scorpio and just have it work?

    Or does it need to download a patched version of the game?
     
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    The GPU portion features 44 CUs (custom by M$/AMD), with only 40 of them active to improve yields. That's 2816 GCN cores, coincidentally the same as Hawaii.

    Microsoft suggests 6 TFLOPs here will be able to provide better performance than an equivalent 6 TFLOPs PC. Running Forza 7 at 4K60 on the equivalent to PC's ultra settings is really impressive. :)

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-scorpio-is-console-hardware-pushed-to-a-new-level
     
  5. babybumb

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    Is there any reason this didnt come out last year? True console CPU leap is too close and Scorpio will not run those games

    So there will be ANOTHER console in 2018?
     
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  6. pipo

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    Any educated guesses on the release? Looking at the current state of the machine, could a 'one more thing' surprise at E3 be possible? November sounds pretty far away...
     
  7. DavidGraham

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    Dave Baumann implied something about Fiji. Could this be a custom Fiji core?
     
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  8. Cyan

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    those facts remain a mystery yet. What I liked is that it is not all about brute force power, but the balance of the system is really nice. What's going to make a difference is the DX12 specs built into the hardware, hopefully, and the sound. If you can play your PC games on it, well, that would be close to my wet dream as Roderic says.
     
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    Fall , maybe Sept / OCT they need time for software i'd think if they only showed DF forza
     
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    I suspect Dave just meant Fiji beget Polaris, so its unlikely that Polaris lost anything in the process.
     
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  11. Jay

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    just plug it in and play, it can run unpatched x1 games, just better

    yes it would've been nice to be zen based, even better zen with the modified cp for the dx12.
    but would zen be a lot better without the modifications made?
    30%+ ipc would be nice, but with the updated cache sizes etc, we don't know how the jag performs for games, with games being 90% it's use case, where as zen has to be general purpose use cases.
    also remember much of the zen benefits would have been striped from a console part.
    plus the cp updates, and up clocks, how much difference does it make? (none to huge?)

    so people just hearing it not having zen is being bit reactive when they imply may as well get rig.

    if it was a bog standard upclocked jag, that's one thing, but let's wait and see if it's just talk or not.
    may easily provide the best gaming performance esp at 4k you could get.
     
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  12. Dave Baumann

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    I'd been looking for a reason to spring for an "S". I'm glad I didn't find one in the end as I'm sold on this.
     
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    Nope, those 2.3GHz are definitely sustained clock rates.

    Of course it will. As good as Vulkan/DX12 can be, games developed for consoles don't have to prioritize compatibility over low-level optimization or just choosing the assets according to hardware capabilities.

    My thoughts exactly.
    Xbox was the one who needed a mid-gen upgrade the most, yet it's coming a year later. And it's coming without a manufacturing process advantage or Zen or a newer GPU architecture or GDDR5X or HBM2 or anything that became or will be available between PS4 Pro's release and Q4 2017.

    The theory during the past few months is that Microsoft was waiting for HDMI 2.1, but Digital Foundry mentioned HDMI 2 already..

    Well the "variable refresh rate" twitter post got deleted, though until HDMI 2.1 TVs come to the shelves (somewhere in 2018?) this would only be useful for people willing to hook up their consoles to Freesync monitors.
    There was also zero mention of VR capabilities, so we don't know if Scorpio's VR will be a single xbox-branded headset or you'll be able to choose among some of the $300+ headsets for Windows 10 that are coming up later this year.
     
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    I'm in the same boat and glad I waited.
     
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    So if I understand what you've written correctly, Scorpio has a hidden 2nd-gpu that can be unlocked in the future to one-up the competition.


    ;)
     
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    I got the impression software is not that complicated / far off, considering what they've done already. September sounds good to me...
     
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    sounds like they only got parts in January I am sure some third party devs are just getting dev kits now . Even if its super fast to port I am sure MS wants more than just a port , they are going to want more textures /higher quality along with just the res bump
     
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    Certification for games is in June for Scorpio. Cert is usually 2-4 weeks pending IIRC. (if true) That would imply Scorpio ready games could be available as early as August/Sep timeframe.
     
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    I agree but they're doubling down on 4K with a generous 12Gb for assets as well. I wonder, would this require devs build separate One and Scorpio builds, one with 4K assets and one without? I have a bunch of Steam games with "4K" textures and these texture packs will range from 20Gb up to 60Gb (Fallout 4). Standard distributions and optional downloads of Scorpio?
     
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