Developers Discontent With PS3 Development Tools

[Shifty Geezer]

Why would the New York Times run an article like that?
As i said, only you and a few other people are actually nagging about this. Everyone else (you know, normal people who don't know jack about this kind of thing) will see "Custom NVIDIA GPU" and put it on the same level as X360's "Custom ATI GPU".

Actually I think most people would see those labels and ask 'what's an NVIDIA GPU, or an ATI GPU?' and then see MICROSOFT and SONY and actually understand who made them. Or see XB360 and PLAYSTATION3 and think they're both Playstations made by Nintendo

 

[scooby_dooby]

Umm the same reason they run sensational articles about everything. Journalists are stupid.

Why do the vast majority of casual gamer thing PS3 is more powerful than X360? Cause they know the specs? Cause they watched E3? No. Cause of stupid journalists and they're sensationalized articles.

Anyways, you have you opinion I have mine.

Until you can explain to me SOny's need to use fancy language instead of being straight forward I'll take it as my logic tells me it is. A false impression intended to save face.

 

[Edge]

I can't believe the discussion going on. Some of you guys really need to get a life.

Who cares how long they are have been working on RSX. It's a **version** of the 7800 GTX running at a higher clock rate. We know it going to be kick ass, because the 7800 GTX kicks ass.

Most PC games are written expecting 128 MB of graphics memory, and the PS3 will have 256 MB, with much tighter integration to an insanely powerful CPU, while also having insane bandwith to main memory.

So in the end, you tell me, how is it important how long they have been working on RSX?

 

[London Geezer]

Umm the same reason they run sensational articles about everything. Journalists are stupid.

Why do the vast majority of casual gamer thing PS3 is more powerful than X360? Cause they know the specs? Cause they watched E3? No. Cause of stupid journalists and they're sensationalized articles.

Anyways, you have you opinion I have mine.

Until you can explain to me SOny's need to use fancy language instead of being straight forward I'll take it as my logic tells me it is. A false impression intended to save face.

Then you get all surprised when people call you bias?
Sony use fancy words like everyone else does, get over it it's called Marketing. For each "stupid fancy word" by Sony's mouth, you can find one from MS or Nintendo or Sega or Burger King or Pepsi or bloody Wonderbra. So why make such a fuss just for Sony all the bloody time!

 

[scooby_dooby]

It's not! RSX will kick ass.

Your missing the point of the debate.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Then you get all surprised when people call you bias?
Sony use fancy words like everyone else does, get over it it's called Marketing.

LMAO. OK L-B, whatever you say.

 

[London Geezer]

LMAO. OK L-B, whatever you say.

Thank you.

 

[Edge]

And the point of the debate is?

 

[London Geezer]

And the point of the debate is?

In brief, Sony called NVIDIA 5 mins before E3 and got them to find some fancy words to say in public, therefore they have let down everyone and are trying to save their face by using "fancy words".

 

[Edge]

> "In brief, Sony called NVIDIA 5 mins before E3 and got them to find some fancy words to say in public, therefore they have let down everyone and are trying to save their face by using "fancy words"."


Let's all assume that's true. WHO CARES!!!!

 

[TheGuardian]

I think the forum would burst into flames if the RSX was a standard G70 and still managed to be better than the Xenos. Then the haters could feel good because they were right and at the same time feel like shit because their solution is worse. :smile:

My personal opinion is that the RSX will be a nice, fast GPU, based upon the G70 but with several little touches that will seperate it from the PC solution.

Faster than the Xenos ? Don't know, and personally, i don't really care, as long as both are great as i will probably be buying all 3 next gen consoles.

 

[Powderkeg]

I think the forum would burst into flames if the RSX was a standard G70 and still managed to be better than the Xenos. Then the haters could feel good because they were right and at the same time feel like shit because their solution is worse. :smile:

My personal opinion is that the RSX will be a nice, fast GPU, based upon the G70 but with several little touches that will seperate it from the PC solution.

Faster than the Xenos ? Don't know, and personally, i don't really care, as long as both are great

QFT

 

[Powderkeg]

And if you feel that the corporate world is as leaky as it is, then find me one definitive claim from any source that Sony and Toshiba were definitely working on a Cell-based GPU.

You will find no such telling document, because none exists. It was all speculation - though educated speculation that I still believe. The point though being, if the world you believe in really existed, we should have evidence of such, due to the 'holes.'

http://www-03.ibm.com/chips/news/2001/0312_sony-toshiba.html

Do you want to revise your BS claim?

 

[Edge]

Not sure it's been posted yet.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/08/27/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/?cnn=yes

Yes, I went back in time and posted that article in 2003. Just more lies from Sony.

 

[Mmmkay]

http://www-03.ibm.com/chips/news/2001/0312_sony-toshiba.html

Do you want to revise your BS claim?

Err, that appears to be a CELL press release not a 'CELL based GPU' press release.

 

[Carl B]

http://www-03.ibm.com/chips/news/2001/0312_sony-toshiba.html

Do you want to revise your BS claim?

Powederkeg - now help me out here because I may be missing something - but I read every single word of that entire document, and not anywhere in there did I see mention of Toshiba and Sony teaming up to develop a Cell-based GPU.

Can you point it out to me?

Until then my 'BS' claims are going to stand.

@Edge: I guess you can help point it out to me in that doc as well!

 

[Powderkeg]

Err, that appears to be a CELL press release not a 'CELL based GPU' press release.

Define "Cell based GPU."

Are you talking about Cell with a rasterizer? Because I can show that was the very reason Toshiba was involved at all. They didn't care about the PS3 or network supercomputers, they cared about an efficient and cheap processor for their HDTV and other home entertainment equipment.

 

[Carl B]

Define "Cell based GPU."

Are you talking about Cell with a rasterizer? Because I can show that was the very reason Toshiba was involved at all. They didn't care about the PS3 or network supercomputers, they cared about an efficient and cheap processor for their HDTV and other home entertainment equipment.

'Cell based GPU,' in my opinion, is a real-world attempt at trying to implement the 'visualizer' patent. And it means that Sony intended to use a derivative Cell design - co-developed with Toshiba - as the basis of the GPU in the PS3. A successor to the GS, and yes with rasterization capabilities.

Are you serious in posting that you thought I didn't know the STI project was officially announed???

I mean, get real man!

PS - By the way, almost anyone who's talking about the 'Cell GPU' is going to be talking about that which I've described. Otherwise it's 'Cell as GPU.'

 

[Mmmkay]

Define "Cell based GPU."

Are you talking about Cell with a rasterizer? Because I can show that was the very reason Toshiba was involved at all. They didn't care about the PS3 or network supercomputers, they cared about an efficient and cheap processor for their HDTV and other home entertainment equipment.

You're claiming that a general announcement of CELL is proof enough that a CELL based GPU was in development?

 

[Powderkeg]

You're claiming that a general announcement of CELL is proof enough that a CELL based GPU was in development?

First tell me the precise difference between a "Cell based GPU" and Cell designed to render graphics.