Death sentence vs Very long jail time with cell mate Bubba

[Natoma]

Khatami against executing Saddam??? Holy shit.. thats right out of left field... Seriously I dont think Iranians would be kind to Saddam if they ever got their hands on him no matter what Khatami thinks... Which is also contradictory to what Iranians do in the penal system as you say executions arent exactly banned there.

It's not surprising. Could you imagine if Khatami fell what the Iranian people would do to him? Think of all of the horrors that regime has inflicted upon the Iranian people over the years. You don't think the Iranians wouldn't execute him?

I think this is more of a deal of Khatami trying to hedge for himself in a possible future where he and his cronies are deposed just like Saddam, especially if they continue their march toward nuclear power as they so publically have as of late.

 

[Humus]

I'm in general against capital punishment. But when it comes to guys like Saddam, Hitler, Stalin etc. I'm willing to put that moral stance aside.

In any case though, it's best to keep Saddam alive until he's emptied on all information he's got.

 

[Natoma]

Imo death is too easy an out. Sitting in prison for 60 years is far more painful. I couldn't imagine a worse punishment than having my freedom taken away and being told what to do for the rest of my adult life.

Think how painful that would be to someone like Saddam or Hitler or Stalin who were used to giving orders and not taking any lip at the height of their powers, who would be humbled to the point where they'd be told when they could piss and shit, and when to eat?

I couldn't think of a more prolonged and protracted punishment.

 

[ByteMe]

I would study for a year trying to find the most inhuman way of killing him. Then I'd do that.

Then you'd be not better than Saddam himself or his son Kurai.

I would agree if we wanted to do this to just anyone. Saddam is not just anyone. I value most human life. I also value certain human "rights". Saddam does not get either of these.

 

[Sabastian]

I'm in general against capital punishment. But when it comes to guys like Saddam, Hitler, Stalin etc. I'm willing to put that moral stance aside.

In any case though, it's best to keep Saddam alive until he's emptied on all information he's got.

I pretty much agree but I don't have many qualms with putting to death cereal killers and the like. I do have problems with putting someone to death who is innocent of the charge, that is the only real moral issue I have with the death penalty. In the case of Saddam or similar types it is a "no brainer", just put him out of his misery and get what you can out of him before you do. I would be quite disappointed if he should manage to escape the death sentence personally considering his dammed legacy of tyranny.

 

[Natoma]

I'm in general against capital punishment. But when it comes to guys like Saddam, Hitler, Stalin etc. I'm willing to put that moral stance aside.

In any case though, it's best to keep Saddam alive until he's emptied on all information he's got.

I pretty much agree but I don't have many qualms with putting to death cereal killers and the like.

I love my Fruity Pebbles too Sabastian, but damn, you're harsh. Run Trix Rabbit Run!

 

[Sabastian]

I'm in general against capital punishment. But when it comes to guys like Saddam, Hitler, Stalin etc. I'm willing to put that moral stance aside.

In any case though, it's best to keep Saddam alive until he's emptied on all information he's got.

I pretty much agree but I don't have many qualms with putting to death cereal killers and the like.

I love my Fruity Pebbles too Sabastian, but damn, you're harsh. Run Trix Rabbit Run!

lol, now I know you have lost it.

 

[ByteMe]

I'm in general against capital punishment. But when it comes to guys like Saddam, Hitler, Stalin etc. I'm willing to put that moral stance aside.

In any case though, it's best to keep Saddam alive until he's emptied on all information he's got.

I pretty much agree but I don't have many qualms with putting to death cereal killers and the like.

I love my Fruity Pebbles too Sabastian, but damn, you're harsh. Run Trix Rabbit Run!

lol, I think you need to see a doctor.

 

[Natoma]

Hey I'm not the one talking about cereal killers. Maybe you meant serial.

 

[Sabastian]

Hey I'm not the one talking about cereal killers. Maybe you meant serial.

crap... I just realized what the heck .... of course not until after you clarified. Sorry about the cheapshot. Bah [excuse]just got off work.[/excuse]

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[Natoma]

You're so special Sabastian.

 

[Zol]

Saddam wouldn't last a week in a general population prison. Everybody would try to have a shot at him. He would have to be in a special ward, safe from others with no one sharing a cell with him.

That's why your hypothesis is wrong from the start. Sorry!

;^)

 

[Clashman]

Which is also contradictory to what Iranians do in the penal system as you say executions arent exactly banned there.

What I think happened here, though, was that Khatami came out against the death penalty in general. He said that if there were a case where he could see it applied it would be Saddam, but even here he wouldn't want to do it.

Furthermore Natoma, I don't think the political situation in Iran is quite as much of a clear cut "Dictator vs. the People" thing as most people think. Khatami was democratically elected, and I believe he is trying to change things. But there is a very delicate legal framework he has to work in, where he doesn't actually have the final say in whether something is "constitutional" or not, and where that priviledge resides within a very repressive group of clerics.

 

[pax]

Ya I could see some of the other clerics get slapped down hard over their conservative rule but Khatami shouldnt be too afraid of a revolution... heck he came in on a wind of modest political revolution himself and supports such reforms that would normally lead to a democratic Iran.

 

[jvd]

get a sting rope. Anyone that has killed more than say 3 people hang . If the person has been found guilty of kiling 3 people the likelyhood of a mistake being made . A rope can be used more than once and is pretty cheap. This way i don't have to pay for them to eat and watch tv for how ever long they live.

 

[Clashman]

Hey, if we're looking to cut costs, why don't we just get rid of all those pesky expensive trials anyways and bring back some good ol' fashioned lynchings?

A thousand s

 

[jvd]

Hey, if we're looking to cut costs, why don't we just get rid of all those pesky trials anyways and bring back some good ol' fashioned lynchings?

A thousand 's

bah . Trials aren't expensive. man they only payed me 5 dollars a day . Perhaps fixing jury duty would be the smart thing to do. Instead of getting 200 people to sit around all day they only get the amount they need.

 

[Clashman]

You gotta pay the lawyer's though, and them's expensive. Not to mention all that time you have to spend gathering 'evidence', as if we should really be tying up our police force and wasting tons of taxpayer money when they could be out 'fighting crime'. Plus it will save us the embarrassment of having to free people 10 years later when we find out they were innocent. Although I guess your plan would cover that, too.

 

[K.I.L.E.R]

Executing Saddam would be bad. Reason? General population prison where you have 100 Bubbas will be much worse than death.
If I was in Saddam's shoes I would hope that they would be stupid enough to give me the death penalty.

 

[London Geezer]

I agree with the people stating that Saddam should not be given a death penalty, NOT ONLY because it would be too easy for him, after all he's done, BUT especially because he must be so full of information, i think we should thread carefully and milk him as much as we can. He is "valuable" (I know, I know, don't jump at my throat, you know what i really mean) not only for all the information he has, but also from a strategic point of view. Think of all the Saddam loyalists -who are still bombing Iraqi civilians as we speak (Don't know abnout u, but i hear about a suicide bomb going off pretty much everyday now)- who could be calmed down, put in their place, just by showing them a "changed" Saddam. Of course it will never happen, but think about it, a "reformed" Saddam could be (in a Utopic world where he has a brain) the element we have been waiting for to sort out the issues in the middle east.
Just think about it.
I think the possibility of such a change is much more valuable than "killing the bad guy".
In the end, he WILL pay for what he's done, i just think that we should get as much as we can back from him, and killing him surely doesn't serve that purpose.