Dc comics mmorpg (ps3 game ? )
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Man, i have ALWAYS dreamed of massive RPGs based on the massive Marvel and especially DC universes...
jvd said:
It will be a monumental task to properly realise the whole DC universe though. Hopefully they'll do it right.
Guess who i'm gonna be!! 
Evil_Cloud
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Mmm, I can see other SOE MMO's coming to PS3 as well then... MxO, Everquest II, SWG,...
And next to that, FFXI and PSU?
And next to that, FFXI and PSU?
Jon Brittan
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Personally I really hope someone does something similar with the Marvel Universe, I'm personally far more of a fan than of DC where I'm reallyonly a Batman fan.
Thankfully though, as it's an MMORPG the main DC characters won't appear in playable form, the one thing I've always disliked about DC comics is the lack of balance in the characters, there are just too many over-powerful characters IMO, hence Batman being by far my favourite DC creation.
On a slight bit of side-tracking, unfortunately the village I moved to recently doesn't yet offer broadband being such a new development, it should be available soon and once it is I'll be looking to get back into the online gaming scene. City of Heroes looks interesting, I've always been a comic book fan, can anyone with any experience of the game (positive or negative) PM me their thoughts (I say PM so as to keep it out of this thread and stop it getting off topic), it will be much appreciated.
Thankfully though, as it's an MMORPG the main DC characters won't appear in playable form, the one thing I've always disliked about DC comics is the lack of balance in the characters, there are just too many over-powerful characters IMO, hence Batman being by far my favourite DC creation.
On a slight bit of side-tracking, unfortunately the village I moved to recently doesn't yet offer broadband being such a new development, it should be available soon and once it is I'll be looking to get back into the online gaming scene. City of Heroes looks interesting, I've always been a comic book fan, can anyone with any experience of the game (positive or negative) PM me their thoughts (I say PM so as to keep it out of this thread and stop it getting off topic), it will be much appreciated.
None of these will work unless your going to buy a hardriveEvil_Cloud said:
well mabye mxo ? dunno what that is
Everquest 2 is huge and the patches are big , they were around 20 megs each and we would get at least one a week. Then you had the add on packs that you would download that were a few hundred megs .
Swg has big patches too.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is dc game will be designed first and foremost for the ps3 and around its limitations and then enhanced for the pc .
Though i do find it odd that sony got this deal. sony is big partner with marvel not dc . Seems like a conflict in my mind . Though i've been waiting for a tittle like this for a long time so it really doesn't matter
jvd said:london-boy said:Guess who i'm gonna be!!
Rainbow rider ? He is a guy in a rainbow outfit that rides rainbows through the sky and zaps you with rainbow laser beams ( an old school flash villian)
that was funny.No it's much easier and gayer.
as i said , i didn't expect sony to make this game , i would think with thier close ties with marvel they would have done that . As for dc ... well they make batman the most powerfully character in the dcu . He wins off panel all the time which is why i dislike him .
as for your other thoughts really they have things balanced out properly . You don't see superman going up against a lower powered villian , he goes after the big guys that can affect him. However you see someone like the ray 2 go up against these lower villians .
jvd said:
How on earth are they going to balance the whole thing?
Superman is supposed to be invulnerable to most things and should easily kill most other heroes with one punch... Flash is supposed to be so quick you can't even see him, and he is "everywhere at once" or whatever they came up with lately... Know what i mean?
Jon Brittan
Newcomer
london-boy said:
Pretty much exactly what I was getting at, in a game you can't do what they do in the comics and only align an over-powered superhero against other equally powerful villains, everyone has to be able to compete at every level, if you allowed characters like Superman, The Green Lantern, to some extent The Flash and several others to exist and fight alongside and more importantly *against* characters like Batman and other pure-humans then some people are going to get bored rather quickly.
The whole problem I always had with DC was not who they balanced people like Superman against, it was simply the fact that they even existed in the first place. There are just too many (IMO) super-super-powered characters, several of whom don't even have any form of dark side or inner demons. That's what always made Marvel more interesting for me, even the really powerful characters had problems, Iron Man can't stay in his suit that long and using it is killing him, Deadpool & Wolverine while both practically indestructible have serious mental issues, The Hulk at times changes back to human form and when in pure Hulk form again has serious issues, etc etc.
That's true, some DC heroes are like Gods (in some books they are actually referred to as Gods infact).
I guess it might be like the over super maxed out FF characters, but it takes a lot of time to get there, whereas those DC characters would be like that by default...
I guess it might be like the over super maxed out FF characters, but it takes a lot of time to get there, whereas those DC characters would be like that by default...
Well of course they are going to balance it . You can't be a superman. If you pick say flight , then you have to give up another power . If you want to be able to take large amounts of damage then you have to give up say speed .
As for lining up say a green lantern against a batman . Well its simple . Batman has a ton of gadgets and batman has plans . In tower of babel these plans were used against the jla . His plans stoped superman , green lantern , flash and martian man hunter . I would expect a similar deal.
You can also seperate by type . A batman character isn't going to be in space like a green lantern would be . He will be in the city going up against thugs and low powered criminals . The only real problem would be pvp .In that case a batman would get his but kicked by a flash. Then again the batman can use a weapon of his deisgn to go u pagain siad character.
It will take alot of balance but it will be done. Just like in a fantasy mmorpg. A wizard should be able to shoot a fireball at a knight and that knight would rost in his armor and die . But they balanced it out .
Dc has what your talking about too. Green lantern : yellow , superman : kryptonite , Manhunter : fire and so on . Almost all of dc's characters from the 60s onward have 1 weakness .
Oh an for iron man the suit keeps him alive. At least originaly now he is cured .
What bothred me allways about marvel is the switch in the 80s and 90s over to it being the x men . That is thier main output . xmen titles or spin offs.
Geez, jvd - how on earth did you get to be a mod with this attitude?! Everyone knows your DC f'boyism makes you so totally prejudiced against Marvel. Marvel has consistently produced a wider range of better balanced characters but you still can't see that no matter how often it's repeated. And we all know if the debate were anti-Marvel this thread would've been locked long ago.
jvd said:
Well that's not right!!
I'd take that if eventually a maxed out Superman (in full FF style) could do anything he's supposed to do.
And this is just as unfair!!
If Batman can just build or buy a "kill superman" weapon, that's just as unfair as having Superman snap his fingers and kill him. Isn't it?
Fingers crossed!
Jon Brittan
Newcomer
jvd said:
The exact solution is in the second sentence, but that's also what will detract from a game set in the DC Universe. For it to be fair and balanced you simply can't be allowed to be like any of the major characters for as long as anyone wants to be able to play as a lesser powered character and still enjoy themselves. To make it fair players will have to make compromises in their character but, as you highlighted below, most of the major characters don't have much by way of compromises.
jvd said:
The problem here is that Batman's mental superiority is a storyline benefit, Green Lanterns powers are tangible and realisable through the game engine. For this comparison of how Batman can use his mental abilities to give him an advantage you would have to let the Batman type player have a concept of the situation he was going into and plan it almost Rainbow Six style, while the super-powered player would have to go in blind and you'd still have to hope the Batman type player was intelligent enough to make this work.
jvd said:
Okay, this could work, have a "players lounge" where the heroes can get together to talk and socialise, but when they go into the game aproper they are split into different zones depending upon their range of powers, so the more powerful characters are kept seperated from the "powerful human" type characters.
jvd said:
In a sense you're right, but we don't necessarily know just how much power a wizard can use to create a fireball and how effective it really is and we do know that a sword will still go through him. In the DC Universe we do know that Supermans laser vision *will* slice you up, his ice breath *will* freeze you solid and anything you throw at him bar Kryptonite *won't*be effective. It's the secondary curse of background, entrenched storylines.
jvd said:
That's the problem, "1 weakness". Where does the average player find Kryptonite while wandering the games cities? To take on the major character types you'd have to know you were going to in advance and have a great deal of preperation under your belt. To hurt Superman you *must* have a fair quantity of Kryptonite available to you, you *must* be able to get close enough to him before one of his many, many super-pwers has mashed you to pieces and you *must* be able to ensure he can't escape when you do get close enough to him. Now if that Superman player has a trigger finger and blasts you with his laser vision at some point before this?
jvd said:
The original suit was designed almost as life-support, there was a point where he'd expanded it's powers to the point that it was actually harming him to use it.
jvd said:
True enough, but then there is a lot you can do with the X-Men, they're popular for a reason and they are pretty much all reasonably balanced characters.
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Anyway, I know ultimately it will all balance out and they will find a way to make it all work, but I think to do so you have to remove a lot of the facets that will ultimately make it "DC" rather than just City of Heroes with a DC label on the cover.
Jon Brittan said:
Buy it from Lex Luthor?
There are a lot of possibilities!
In the end if you need Kryptonite to kill Superman, you're on Lex's side, so he'll be nice to you, or maybe you'll be able to choose between being good or bad, and if you're bad, killing superman might be a mission Lex gives you!
Not really, even small rocks are quite effective, even one single kryptonite projectile is enough to send him to hell and back.
A kryptonite mirror reflects Superman's laser beam, and a Kryptonite-charged laser can create some problems too. That is, if you can hit him before he super-speeds you to space. Unless you have "Kryptonite boots +1" in which case he won't be able to catch you.
Lots of possibilities!
