Current Generation Hardware Speculation with a Technical Spin [post GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]

[Unknown Soldier]

Remember the 'chroisant leak'? Right there they promised me 13TF. It wasn't even close, and it was way before anything XSX happened.

Nope. Which leak was that? There were so many rumours. I even remember one that went up to 18TF or something silly that got leaked on PasteBin just before the Road to PS5. It was getting ridiculous. If you had a cool head during this time, you would recognise that most were BS.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Aaaand Klee hides in Alaska with his 13TF.

Haha, I seem to remember something about Alaska.

 

[iroboto]

Who the fuck is Jason S? I was following news(not on here of course)

Well this is a debate about what went down here right. Jason Schreirer.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ne...ecret-sauces-spicing-2019.91830/post-19279014

 

[PSman1700]

Nope. Which leak was that? There were so many rumours. I even remember one that went up to 18TF or something silly that got leaked on PasterBin just before the Road to PS5. It was getting ridiculous. If you had a cool head during this time, you would recognise that most were BS.

It was during some Sony presentation, someone had taken two pictures of an empty conference room, and there where croisants, hence the leak name. The leaker said the console would be 13TF. Forum users examinated the pictures and they where really taken on the day the leaker told.
There where many more 13TF leaks, Klee one o0f them, but he fled to Alaska. Those where fun times.

Edit: i think this leak was somewhere spring 2019? Anyway, the 13TF dream started almost a year before the actual factual unveil, and that train kept going untill it lost track somewhere in march this year and focus shifted to SSD speeds. It's most likely possible to revisit that thread on resetera sewer thread.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Well this is a debate about what went down here right. Jason Schreirer.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ne...ecret-sauces-spicing-2019.91830/post-19279014

Just something, the Stadia stuff is designed on the Radeon engine IIRC. The XSX and PS5 rumours though were regarding RDNA and I rememer thinking that RDNA is way better than Radeon as shown by DF with comparisons of the Radeon 7 GPU and the 5700. The Radeon had more TF but the 5700 was out performing it in games. I now am recollecting the Schreier conversation regarding that both GPU would be better than the Stadia 10.7TF and that's how I kind of understood it.

It was during some Sony presentation, someone had taken two pictures of an empty conference room, and there where croisants, hence the leak name. The leaker said the console would be 13TF. Forum users examinated the pictures and they where really taken on the day the leaker told.
There where many more 13TF leaks, Klee one o0f them, but he fled to Alaska. Those where fun times.

Edit: i think this leak was somewhere spring 2019? Anyway, the 13TF dream started almost a year before the actual factual unveil, and that train kept going untill it lost track somewhere in march this year and focus shifted to SSD speeds. It's most likely possible to revisit that thread on resetera sewer thread.

Yeah I seem to remember the rumour of the Sony presentation. Could it be that the guy took the Dev Kit 13TF to be the consoles 13TF? I mean Sony were showing off Spider-man running on an early DevKit as I remember it.

https://wccftech.com/playstation-5-powerful-rtx-2080/ - Komachi was the other Twitter user that was releasing leaks with RoGamer

— 比屋定さんの戯れ言@Komachi (@KOMACHI_ENSAKA) August 12, 2019

BREAKING: THIS IS PS5. According to this leak- the GPU will be clocked at an insane 2ghz.

This equates to 9.2 TF on the RDNA architecture. Or roughly 14 TF on the GCN Architecture aka over double the power of the X1X.

 

[PSman1700]

Just something, the Stadia stuff is designed on the Radeon engine IIRC. The XSX and PS5 rumours though were regarding RDNA and I rememer thinking that RDNA is way better than Radeon as shown by DF with comparisons of the Radeon 7 GPU and the 5700. The Radeon had more TF but the 5700 was out performing it in games. I now am recollecting the Schreier conversation regarding that both GPU would be better than the Stadia 10.7TF and that's how I kind of understood it.

True but TF metric still applies i think, it's the same when WC announced 12TF for XSX, we had that discussion if it was RDNA flops or Vega flops, but that didn't matter. It's efficiency that increases, not power. In raw power, Stadia would still be more powerfull. Someone else probably can explain it better

Yeah I seem to remember the rumour of the Sony presentation. Could it be that the guy took the Dev Kit 13TF to be the consoles 13TF? I mean Sony were showing off Spider-man running on a early DevKit as I remember it.

Yeah thinkso. Not that it matters anyway. Specs don't matter too much in a console space, if's what you do with it, and Sony has a leg up there, or seemingly so.

 

[Strange]

What exactly is being argued here? I read through 3 pages and I don't see any constructive debate.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

What exactly is being argued here? I read through 3 pages and I don't see any constructive debate.

I thought it was just me.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

We weren't arguing. We were talking about rumours and the shit that happens with those rumours as far as I was aware.

Take Eastman's "Mic drop" comment and the websites that picked up on that shit and reported it even though it was Eastman's own personal opinion. Those websites should be berated for posting unverified shit as fact(and people here at B3D said as much).

Well the last few days a Twitter user named DusK Golem, who was a moderator at RestEra, spread leaks as facts that the PS5 couldn't run 4K and would use a lot of fake 4K and couldn't run RE8 at 1080p while the XBSX was fine and had no problems etc. Well yesterday RestEra demoted him and said that he was lying.

He has now said he lied as he personally felt that the news was tilted to the PlayStation5 and he wanted to equalize the news towards XBSX. What a wanker.

 

[Deleted member 13524]

He has now said he lied as he personally felt that the news was tilted to the PlayStation5 and he wanted to equalize the news towards XBSX. What a wanker.

What? Is this for real?

I knew he had posted FUD stuff on retardera resetarded, but after a week when it didn't spread enough, he took it to twitter woth the fake 4k nonsense. But it was admittedly fake? What a piece of work.

Edited for political correctness.

 

[Karamazov]

Propaganda how it works.
Games will look just fine on PS5, multiplat a little behind XsX, and first party titles will shine.

 

[cheapchips]

retardera

Possibly lay off using retard as an insult. It's not the '90s anymore.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

What? Is this for real?

I knew he had posted FUD stuff on retardera, but after a week when it didn't spread enough, he took it to twitter woth the fake 4k nonsense. But it was admittedly fake? What a piece of work.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1294023900615999489

https://twitter.com/x/status/1294024258008432641

 

[Deleted member 11852]

What? Is this for real? I knew he had posted FUD stuff on retardera, but after a week when it didn't spread enough, he took it to twitter woth the fake 4k nonsense. But it was admittedly fake? What a piece of work.

I've read that Dusk Golem admitted to saying the things he did because he felt that internet was too pro-PS5 but I've not seen any such posts from him directly regarding this. He is no longer a mod on resetera though but has not been banned there. I doubted the claims initially when one of the credible industry insider mods on resetera (Matt), posted this.

edit: wow, that was a poorly timed post but thanks to Unknown Soldier linking the Twitter feed of Dusk Golem. What a plank! It's ironic themas entered the the shitstorm thread on restera claiming fanboy wars were stupid.

 

[PSman1700]

https://venturebeat.com/2020/08/13/xbox-boss-on-the-phyiscs-of-the-playstation-5s-design/

Xbox boss on ps5 design.

 

[iroboto]

What exactly is being argued here? I read through 3 pages and I don't see any constructive debate.

I did get defensive because a lot of topics ever referenced were topics I worked hard on. On the flip side, I'm not sure what I was trying to prove except that I could be right, not that PS5 was a flawed product. There's no fatal flaw that can't be fixed with more costs. I did mention that, it's not like Sony would ship a product that would fail. I guess the argument is whether here at B3D did we stick mainly true to seeing how some claims (from supposed insiders) could be validated by through our understanding of technology or whether the process of doing so is really just to create a narrative of undermining or supporting a specific device of choice.

Like I would like to think we are the former, but I can't also help to agree that we are also the latter. There are better ways to handle our discourse here, I mean I'd rather have all my posts look like @3dilettante 's types of posts: where it's just this really solid inquisition with an information dump nigh hint of subjectivity or slant; just purity. We could all learn to frame our posts to being more inquisitive, but also I suppose to remove the desire to be right. Sometimes I'll read something that is exceptionally biased and just take the opposite stance. Whereas anyone else writing the same thing framed in a more objective finger, I wouldn't lift my finger to respond or even agree with.

 

[Lalaland]

I never thought I would miss misterxmedia, there was a sincerity to those beautiful messes of red arrows that's missing in 2020s console warriors

 

[PSman1700]

Sometimes I'll read something that is exceptionally biased and just take the opposite stance. Whereas anyone else writing the same thing framed in a more objective finger, I wouldn't lift my finger to respond or even agree with.

Exactly, i'm a playstation and pc gamer, always had both and will again with next gen. When i see platform warring, stealthy or not, there's a risc it will backfire. I see it's mostly from one side, but that's probably because Sony are the biggest and offer AAA exclusives.
Thing is, it's not about the hardware, PS2 was the weakest by far, but it came close enough in graphics that it held it'w own against something multiple times more powerfull.
It's what you do with it, and i think Sony has the advantage there right now. On the other hand Xbox will give you the best version of multiplat games. But for me that doesn't matter because i buy consoles soley for the games i can't get anywhere else, so that means a playstation every gen (i dont care about nintendo games).

I never thought I would miss misterxmedia, there was a sincerity to those beautiful messes of red arrows that's missing in 2020s console warriors

Yes agree, nowadays warring is much more stealthy and less obvious, but it's there and that's what matters. Every action has a equal reaction, doing it stealthy or not, it will lead to unhealthy discussions.

 

[function]

You’re also driving a point saying that the top speed ‘we don’t even know how often it’ll be there’ - didn’t Cerny say most of the time?

He expected it would turn out to be "at or close to" I seem to recall.

So I guess it depends on what he thinks in terms of "most of the time" and "close to". And I don't think he was being intentionally vague; they didn't have a wide range of finished games to gather data on and games will use hardware differently as the generation progresses. My guess is that typical clocks will slowly lower a little over time as utilisation increases but nothing drastic.

Gaming at anything north of 2 gHz - the speed they were unable to use for fixed clocks (and no-one else has either) - would mean the system they've chosen is working and paying off for them.

 

[iroboto]

He expected it would turn out to be "at or close to" I seem to recall.

So I guess it depends on what he thinks in terms of "most of the time" and "close to". And I don't think he was being intentionally vague; they didn't have a wide range of finished games to gather data on and games will use hardware differently as the generation progresses. My guess is that typical clocks will slowly lower a little over time as utilisation increases but nothing drastic.

Gaming at anything north of 2 gHz - the speed they were unable to use for fixed clocks (and no-one else has either) - would mean the system they've chosen is working and paying off for them.

Unfortunately most of the time and near the top are unintentionally vague terminology. I work in data, if something was 80-90% you're already near the top. Anything north of 95 you are at the top. Most of the time really can mean 70% and above. If you ask any person what near the top and most of the time is I would largely believe that it would be around 80+ is near the top, and 70% and above to represent most of the time.