Crossfire Info

[trinibwoy]

Uh, guys, let's not turn a little good-natured duelling spin between CJ and I into yet another one of those threads. Please?

Too late!

 

[ondaedg]

I can believe, that MJ is innocent, but nV's cheating (or driver bugs increasing performance + decreasing image quality?) was revealed many times. /OT

Just to be clear, what was the duration of the time period between Nvidia's first and last uncovered cheat. Some people make it sound like this period defines Nvidia as a company and it gives the impression that it was over a very long period of time. What was it - one year, two, three?

Hmm, well I think you have to ask yourself if they are still that same company that would behave in the same way towards their customers and potential customers.

I think the answer is pretty clear when you look at the "Crossfire is DOA" document that became public recently.

Cry me a river.

 

[digitalwanderer]

I'll bet a virtual dollar that "Cry me a river" is the post that gets this thread locked.

Nested quotes, zero relation to content, and it's adversarial....three out of five. :?

 

[_xxx_]

I don't think so, but it would be time for this thread to die, all's been said.

 

[trinibwoy]

I'll bet a virtual dollar that "Cry me a river" is the post that gets this thread locked.

Nested quotes, zero relation to content, and it's adversarial....three out of five. :?

What's the other two? :?

 

[stevem]

Cry me a river.

Funny you should say that, as it mirrors NV ethos rather well... The OEMs & AIBs have long memories. Consumers are another matter. Fortunately there's been a change of thinking & they've modified their strategy. Old habits die hard, it seems...

 

[ondaedg]

I'll bet a virtual dollar that "Cry me a river" is the post that gets this thread locked.

Nested quotes, zero relation to content, and it's adversarial....three out of five. :?

as opposed to long thought out posts pointing out the evil doings of Nvidia which you and bzb do day after day? I love the irony. And you think you "contribute" to threads with your snide remarks about an IHV because you have some fascination with the "other" ihv?

Don't try to paint me the bad guy. I would rather read a thread that didn't have the obligatory "Nvidia is evil" post from you, BZB, or Walt. (or all of the above!)

 

[HaLDoL]

what about when ATI cheated with quack? A cheat is a cheat IMHO and they've both done it in the past.

You mean the one that turned out to be a legitimate driver bug that when fixed still showed the same level of performance?

The one that is several years old now and was well before the current Catalyst program?

Keep digging.

Cheats in Quake 3: How ATI's Radeon 8500 drivers "optimize" Quake III. Who? Us? Cheat?
http://www.tech-report.com/etc/2001q4/radeon-q3/index.x?pg=1

Cheats in Unreal, Halo en Aquamark: Questionable optimizations in ATi’s drivers:
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031023/nvidia-nv38-nv36-19.html

Cheats in 3Dmark 2001:
http://www.elitebastards.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1343&view=next

Cheats in 3Dmark03
ATI Technologies Admits Cheating the Drivers To Achieve Higher 3DMark03 Score:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20030526040035.html
http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/05/27/HNnvidia_1.html

ATI Trilinear Cheating Uncovered
www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/ati_trilinear_chat.php
ATI's Radeon X800 texture filtering game
http://techreport.com/etc/2004q2/filtering/index.x?pg=2
"... ATI appears to have intentionally deceived members of the press, and by extension, the public, by claiming to use "full" trilinear filtering "all of the time" and recommending the use of colored mip map tools in order to verify this claim. Encouraging reviewers to make comparisons to NVIDIA products with NVIDIA's similar trilinear optimizations turned off compounded the offense. Any points ATI has scored on NVIDIA over the past couple of years as NVIDIA has been caught in driver "optimizations" and the like are, in my book, wiped out. "

They both cheat. Accept it.

 

[PatrickL]

Oh fuck, not again