Cheap remote included in x360 preimum

[JasonLD]

Core version is something that should never have existed to help xbox360 keep that edge over PS3 in the console forum wars.

Core verion is something that should exist because none of the accessories are required for a functioning xbox360 experience.

Core verion is something that should exist because xbox360 is designed to work just fine without the HD and other extras. The xbox360 is designed so to keep the cost down, to be able to lower the costs in the long run and to remain competitive.

Core version is something that should exist because the sub $300 price point isn't realistically possible otherwise. A $299 price is pretty much what a next gen console is expected to cost, a single sku higher than $300 would have been too expensive considering the xbox brand needs to gain marketshare, there is still competition from current gen and even PS3 and Revolution, even though they will be released after.

Core version is something that should never have existed to help givwe hope to forum fighters who desperately just want SONY fail.

Heh, you didn't get my point at all, did u? I didn't say problem is the price point, I say problem was core version has none of the features that MS promised in XB360...basically, if u want what you expected in XB360, then you are probably HAVE to get premium version at $399. Also, price of peripherials are basically saying that CORE VERSION IS NOT AN OPTION...thanks to amazingly high prices of wireless controller packages and hard drive, core version buyers are probably stuck playing with core version. Heck, they made premium version look like awesome value because they would be so expensive if you buy them separately.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I think that might be a key point of the pricing for peripherals. Buy the XB360 over the Core and get $100 worth of stuff 'free'. Of course it's not worth $100 but is only available at inflated prices so, if bought separately, it would cost that much. I think the faceplate prices must be the most insane price, though the mem cards high too. But a plastic faceplate will cost at worst a few cents to produce. Plastic is cheap. Charging anything over $5-7 is some of the most aggressive price-hiking going.

 

[Reznor007]

Sony is also guilty of insane accessories. Have you ever looked at the official stands for PS2? $19.99 for a slimline PS2 vertical stand....it's a piece of plastic with a few nubs to hold the PS2 up. Or how about the $15 standard model PS2 horizontal stand ?!? It's an 1/8th inch piece of crap.

I agree about the 360 premium remote though. There is absolutely no reason to make a cutdown remote other than to get people to buy the real one. Judging from the pictures there can't be more than 5-10 cents woth of additional real cost to MS to throw in the real thing. It probably ends up costing more this way since they had to design a new remote and have it manufactured in addition to the real remote.

 

[pc999]

You don't seem to understand

They are giving me a 200$ of extra stuff for 100$ added to the price . Why can't they give me an extra 100$ of stuff added to base package in the form of the hardrive. They are obvouslys willlng to eat 100$ at the 400$ price range. Why not eat 100$ at the 300$ price range .


Ms claims that the hardrive is worth 100$ based on thier priceing and so based on thier pricing those acessorys included in the preimum package are worth 100$ . So once again we are getting 200$ of more stuff with only a 100$ increase to cost .

Logicly if they are willing to loose 100$ at 400$ they are obvouslys willing to loose 100$ at 300$ and thus a hardrive included .

The math is there

In fact from what they said they should lost at least 130$ with the 400$, so with would be better to lost 100$ in the core one + proffits from market place+ superioti agaist the others, from what we saw they already lost at the very least 20% costumers inside XB fans, even if they buy the console latter hen it is very cheap that probably mean they lost in the minimum the proffit from 2 years buyng games + paying Live +market place + free publicity + less PS3/REV owners.

 

[Powderkeg]

Heh, you didn't get my point at all, did u? I didn't say problem is the price point, I say problem was core version has none of the features that MS promised in XB360...basically, if u want what you expected in XB360, then you are probably HAVE to get premium version at $399. Also, price of peripherials are basically saying that CORE VERSION IS NOT AN OPTION...thanks to amazingly high prices of wireless controller packages and hard drive, core version buyers are probably stuck playing with core version. Heck, they made premium version look like awesome value because they would be so expensive if you buy them separately.

Most consoles will be bought by people planning on using what comes in the box, and no more. They don't care about HDD support, wireless controllers, XBL, HD support, or any of that other nonsense. They are going to bring home the core system and maybe one extra wired controller, hook it up to their 10 year old 25" round-tube television (both video and audio) and will never even care about what they are missing.

They will buy tens of millions of consoles. Fortunately for them, they don't know that what they will be doing isn't an option.

 

[JasonLD]

Hey, consumers can be ignorant when it comes to technical specs, but not totally stupid in terms of figuring out what would be the better value. If you are going to get a core version, you are basically forced to get $40 memory card , that means you are basically end up paying $340 before you get any game with core version...For mere $60 more you get 100 times better version with premium that comes with HDD, component, headset, WIRELESS controller, and even remote...and you also see price of those if you buy them separately...so if you have little common sense, what are you going to get?? That $299 core version is just a show part that shouldn't have existed.

 

[pc999]

Heh, you didn't get my point at all, did u? I didn't say problem is the price point, I say problem was core version has none of the features that MS promised in XB360...basically, if u want what you expected in XB360, then you are probably HAVE to get premium version at $399. Also, price of peripherials are basically saying that CORE VERSION IS NOT AN OPTION...thanks to amazingly high prices of wireless controller packages and hard drive, core version buyers are probably stuck playing with core version. Heck, they made premium version look like awesome value because they would be so expensive if you buy them separately.

And even then the 400 version, offer much less than it would offer if HDD+headset are standart.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I think availability of money is more important than common sense when it comes to the purchase. If they haven't $60 to spare they won't buy. Then it's a case of whether they wait and save or get the cheaper unit

 

[JasonLD]

I think availability of money is more important than common sense when it comes to the purchase. If they haven't $60 to spare they won't buy. Then it's a case of whether they wait and save or get the cheaper unit

Well, it is still about common sense, if they don't have $60 to spare, then they will probably wait until they can save that extra money and get a premium version..core version looks absolutely horrible value compared to premium version..and price of peripherials justifies that. $60 gets you $200 worth of stuff..what are you going to get...duh..

 

[Powderkeg]

Hey, consumers can be ignorant when it comes to technical specs, but not totally stupid in terms of figuring out what would be the better value. If you are going to get a core version, you are basically forced to get $40 memory card , that means you are basically end up paying $340 before you get any game with core version...For mere $60 more you get 100 times better version with premium that comes with HDD, component, headset, WIRELESS controller, and even remote...and you also see price of those if you buy them separately...so if you have little common sense, what are you going to get?? That $299 core version is just a show part that shouldn't have existed.

If were are talking about the majority of people who own sub-$300 televisions and buy $50 DVD players, they will get the core SKU and memory card. They spend only as much money as they ahve to to get what they want.

Despite what you think, all of that extra stuff is nothing special or desirable to them. To them, it's $60 worth of garbage that they'll never use, and just because they see it sold seperately at an even higher price doesn't make it any more useful in their minds.


Or, to put it another way...

Forza was sold for $50
The Fanatec Wheel was sold for $150

You could buy Forza plus the Fanatec Wheel for $150, saving $50 compared to buying them seperately.

Yet, more unbundled wheels were sold than bundled ones. Considering the wheel was made specifically for Forza, that seems to contridict your assumptions about buying bundles just because it's a good deal.

 

[jvd]

The $200 are retail value, the cost for MS is nowhere $200, it most likely a good deal below $100.

200$ is what ms would make if they sold it seprately so yes its 200$ lost even if it costs them less to make

 

[JasonLD]

If were are talking about the majority of people who own sub-$300 televisions and buy $50 DVD players, they will get the core SKU and memory card. They spend only as much money as they ahve to to get what they want.

Despite what you think, all of that extra stuff is nothing special or desirable to them. To them, it's $60 worth of garbage that they'll never use, and just because they see it sold seperately at an even higher price doesn't make it any more useful in their minds.

Wow, really? By the time Xbox360 launches, MS probably advertised hell out of XB360 and everyone would be aware of Xbox Live and features and wireless controllers and stuff, and all the sudden, people find out attractively priced core version has none of that standard..then they will look hard into premium version and look at the price of accessories...and they will see premium version is hell of a deal compared core version. Also, we are talking about initial batch of buyers...hardcores and people who at least know what they are getting...those people who own cheap TV and DVD are not the people who are likely to pick up Xbox360 during its launch...they probably won't pick up any console at $299 anyways.

 

[Inane_Dork]

Yes and then i factored it out

300$ cost of console core package looses 0$ preimum looses 100$

400$ cost of console core package looses 100$ premium looses 200$

500$ cost of system core package looses 200$ preimum looses 300$

So really don't see how it can . You have 200$ of extra stuff with only 100$ price increase . So your allways going to spend an extra 100$ on the preimum pack

Now of course i don't expect the components to actually cost ms 100$ but that is the value to ms if they were should through retail. I also don't expect the hardrive to cost ms 100$ . But they feel they can sell it for that price.

You keep equating retail price with manufacturing price. And even when you recognize they are different, you don't change your figures.

Again, the exact same pricing model is present in so many other things: buy more and save a greater percentage. Group rate on tickets. Buy 2 get 1 free. Etc. If you find fault with MS's pricing on this, you must be irritated with basically the whole world.

 

[jvd]

You keep equating retail price with manufacturing price. And even when you recognize they are different, you don't change your figures.

Again, the exact same pricing model is present in so many other things: buy more and save a greater percentage. Group rate on tickets. Buy 2 get 1 free. Etc. If you find fault with MS's pricing on this, you must be irritated with basically the whole world.

again i'm using the prices as worth to ms .

If you can sell the hardrive for 100$ and these acessories for another 100$ then that is 200$ in sales ms looses .

Its very simple . Even if it costs them 40$ to make these parts that is not thier value . Thier value is how much ms can sell them for .

 

[Inane_Dork]

again i'm using the prices as worth to ms .

If you can sell the hardrive for 100$ and these acessories for another 100$ then that is 200$ in sales ms looses .

Its very simple . Even if it costs them 40$ to make these parts that is not thier value . Thier value is how much ms can sell them for .

I've already addressed this clearly with real world examples. I will not reiterate myself further.

 

[Powderkeg]

Wow, really? By the time Xbox360 launches, MS probably advertised hell out of XB360 and everyone would be aware of Xbox Live and features and wireless controllers and stuff, and all the sudden, people find out attractively priced core version has none of that standard..then they will look hard into premium version and look at the price of accessories...and they will see premium version is hell of a deal compared core version. Also, we are talking about initial batch of buyers...hardcores and people who at least know what they are getting...those people who own cheap TV and DVD are not the people who are likely to pick up Xbox360 during its launch...they probably won't pick up any console at $299 anyways.

Precisely. If you limit your argument to just the 2-3 month launch window, you are correct.

If you figure in the next 5 years, I am.

The premium bundle is a deal for the hardcore early adopters. The core SKU is intended for the casual gamer who will spend as little money as possible to get what they want. They start becoming a factor after the launch rush is over, and the longer the system is out, the more they factor in.

 

[JasonLD]

Precisely. If you limit your argument to just the 2-3 month launch window, you are correct.

If you figure in the next 5 years, I am.

The premium bundle is a deal for the hardcore early adopters. The core SKU is intended for the casual gamer who will spend as little money as possible to get what they want. They start becoming a factor after the launch rush is over, and the longer the system is out, the more they factor in.

Hey, if they don't do well in first year, then there wouldn't be next 5 years. By introducing 2 SKUs, they just created lots of confusion. Core version reached that magical price point of $299, but none of which defined Xbox360 to begin with...We got the $299 price point, yet not many people are cheering about it..there must be some problem right? If this is how companies want to gain marketshare, then count me out. I really hope Sony doesn't pull the same tactic from MS's bag.

 

[Powderkeg]

Hey, if they don't do well in first year, then there wouldn't be next 5 years. By introducing 2 SKUs, they just created lots of confusion. Core version reached that magical price point of $299, but none of which defined Xbox360 to begin with...We got the $299 price point, yet not many people are cheering about it..there must be some problem right? If this is how companies want to gain marketshare, then count me out. I really hope Sony doesn't pull the same tactic from MS's bag.

The only people who know or care are the hardcore fans, which only make up a tiny fraction of the total userbase. Yes, they need to do well their first year, but I don't see any problem with them doing that.

Have you noticed how little the europeans have complained about this? Fastest growing market on earth, and they seem quite happy about the pricing. Even the premium bundle is below the price they normally pay at new system launches. The few hardcore fans MS might lose in North America can easily be made up by masses of European gamers who are suddenly interested in the best priced new console they've ever seen.


After having given this subject a couple of days of thought, I am really beginning to think that the premium bundle is a launch-window deal that will probably only be around for a few months. After that, the core SDK is all that would be offered.

the hardcore get their big fancy bundle, later the casuals get their budget system, MS makes tons of mony on peripheral sales over the long run, and everyone is happy.

 

[pc999]

I am europen had dont like it, every XB360 becomes what I dont want, plus they try to cheat me, or force me to buy what I dont want, I has thinking in picking one if not at lauch a bit later no I am not unless it became very, very, very cheap (less than 200).

But Nitendo may be happy with this.

 

[JasonLD]

The only people who know or care are the hardcore fans, which only make up a tiny fraction of the total userbase. Yes, they need to do well their first year, but I don't see any problem with them doing that.

Have you noticed how little the europeans have complained about this? Fastest growing market on earth, and they seem quite happy about the pricing. Even the premium bundle is below the price they normally pay at new system launches. The few hardcore fans MS might lose in North America can easily be made up by masses of European gamers who are suddenly interested in the best priced new console they've ever seen.


After having given this subject a couple of days of thought, I am really beginning to think that the premium bundle is a launch-window deal that will probably only be around for a few months. After that, the core SDK is all that would be offered.

the hardcore get their big fancy bundle, later the casuals get their budget system, MS makes tons of mony on peripheral sales over the long run, and everyone is happy.

Heh, certainly I am not going to be happy about this one..they put overpromising and underdelivering to a whole new degree. That fancy bundle is what Xbox360 was supposed to be and what they were promised...Xbox core system looks like just another console with fancy graphics without anything revolutionary. Anyone with a right mind will pick up premium version...lol..picking up core version would be just flat out dumb. I hope MS pay dearly for this so console manufacturers no longer adapt this strategy.