CELL will be there in PS3!

[Panajev2001a]

But i know one thing they aren't doing and thats giving us def info that the cell chip will infact be used in the ps3.

I think that there is enough evidence that this conclusion is at least highly probable... and would fit in line with those questions... if people believe this is not true, a good start could be if they addressed those issues and they could use their conclusions in favor of the point they want to make.

Anyways I doubt many would even believe it if Sony announced it

Kutaragi: Yes Cell is powering PlayStation 3.

Forum goer: HE's LYING!

 

[jvd]

But i know one thing they aren't doing and thats giving us def info that the cell chip will infact be used in the ps3.

I think that there is enough evidence that this conclusion is at least highly probable... and would fit in line with those questions... if people believe this is not true, a good start could be if they addressed those issues and they could use their conclusions in favor of the point they want to make.

Anyways I doubt many would even believe it if Sony announced it

Kutaragi: Yes Cell is powering PlayStation 3.

Forum goer: HE's LYING!

Well we have news postings saying they are saying its not in the ps3 and still people say that it is. We have enough info to say its highly probable that the cell wont be in the ps3 too. As i have said many times in the past its stupid to say the cell chip will be in the ps3 and it will be a 1tflop system untill sony confirms any of it .

 

[Panajev2001a]

Well we have news postings saying they are saying its not in the ps3 and still people say that it is. We have enough info to say its highly probable that the cell wont be in the ps3 too

Debatable...

Also the financial aspect goes against the "PlayStation 3 using totally unrelated to Cell technology" argument and it has to be addressed...

I think there is more news evidence pro Cell in PlayStation 3 ( a PlayStation 3 note in a Cell patent published by Sony is a bit more of a "MAY not" in one article ) than against it, but it is still debatable and that is why we are here in a discussion forum

 

[jvd]

Well we have news postings saying they are saying its not in the ps3 and still people say that it is. We have enough info to say its highly probable that the cell wont be in the ps3 too

Debatable...

Also the financial aspect goes against the "PlayStation 3 using totally unrelated to Cell technology" argument and it has to be addressed...

I think there is more news evidence pro Cell in PlayStation 3 ( a PlayStation 3 note in a Cell patent published by Sony is a bit more of a "MAY not" in one article ) than against it, but it is still debatable and that is why we are here in a discussion forum

THe problem with the patent is we have no clue when it was filled. THey may have wanted to use the cell chip in the ps3 but to do costs or technical problems they may no longer be able to use it . As i said we just have to wait on sony's offical news .

 

[Paul]

"With this investment, SCEI will manufacture the new microprocessor for the broadband era, code-named “Cellâ€￾, as well as other system LSIs, to be used for the next generation computer entertainment system."

They are developing Cell, as well as other system LSI's(LSI's probably meaning the rasterizer and the likes) TO BE USED IN the next generation computer entertainment system, ala ps3.

If they mean't that the LSI's would be the seperate ps3 chip it would have been worded like this.

With this new investment, SCEI will manufacture the new microprocessor for the broadband era, code-named "Cell". Also, system LSIs to be used in the next generation computer entertainment system.

 

[jvd]

"With this investment, SCEI will manufacture the new microprocessor for the broadband era, code-named “Cellâ€￾, as well as other system LSIs, to be used for the next generation computer entertainment system."

They are developing Cell, as well as other system LSI's(LSI's probably meaning the rasterizer and the likes) TO BE USED IN the next generation computer entertainment system, ala ps3.

If they mean't that the LSI's would be the seperate ps3 chip it would have been worded like this.

With this new investment, SCEI will manufacture the new microprocessor for the broadband era, code-named "Cell". Also, system LSIs to be used in the next generation computer entertainment system.

Actually it can be taken both ways as I am not the only one to note that. As i have said before all the announcments are so vague they can go either way. As of now i believe we have no solid info on ps3 and we should not comment on things that are still question marks , i.e the performance of the system .

 

[Paul]

Noone is talking performance anymore, we are talking if Cell, or a Version of Cell will actually be used in ps3.

Which this announcement, proves. Isn't SCE the Playstation division? Why would they want Cell. It mentions they are developing it.

Anyway, there haven't been any announcements about a second ps3 cpu paralell to Cell anyway. Or even the funding for such a chip.

 

[jvd]

Noone is talking performance anymore, we are talking if Cell, or a Version of Cell will actually be used in ps3.

Which this announcement, proves. Isn't SCE the Playstation division? Why would they want Cell. It mentions they are developing it.

Anyway, there haven't been any announcements about a second ps3 cpu paralell to Cell anyway. Or even the funding for such a chip.

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THere is still no offical word on the cell chip being used in the ps3. We have rumors going both ways . We had mention of it at gdc being in it and then mention in several articles that sony says it wont be in it . We had mention of it in a patent. Of course who knows how old that patent is (they have to be filled months if not years before being accepted and posted to the public.

 

[archie4oz]

I think Paul pretty much hit it on the head with the point that it's SCEI that's investing and building these fabs... SCEI currently has 2 fabs (FAB1 and FAB2 in Nagasaki), the rest fall under Sony Semiconductor (I'm not sure about the Oita facility that's co-oped with Toshiba, but SCEI was the primary investor in that). The point being that if SCEI is the one investing/building these facilities, then whatever they produce *is* going to be used in whatever "system" that they put out...

 

[Paul]

"With this investment, SCEI will manufacture the new microprocessor for the broadband era, code-named “Cellâ€￾, as well as other system LSIs, to be used for the next generation computer entertainment system."

There's your proof, SCEI producing Cell as well as other LSI's for PS3.

Think whatever you want to think, however you are wrong. SCEI is the playstation branch, they are using Cell? For what? They make playstations. Which means it will be in ps3.

 

[jvd]

I think Paul pretty much hit it on the head with the point that it's SCEI that's investing and building these fabs... SCEI currently has 2 fabs (FAB1 and FAB2 in Nagasaki), the rest fall under Sony Semiconductor (I'm not sure about the Oita facility that's co-oped with Toshiba, but SCEI was the primary investor in that). The point being that if SCEI is the one investing/building these facilities, then whatever they produce *is* going to be used in whatever "system" that they put out...

Could be a hand held system. Or for another un announced product that we don't know about. Or a product for dvd players or tvs or blue ray players.

 

[Paul]

COULD BE A HAND HELD SYSTEM, OR ANOTHER SYSTEM? BWAHAHAHA. How old are you, 12? Because that's how you come off as, this is utterly pathedic, im out of this.

Have fun being wrong.

With this investment, SCEI will manufacture the new microprocessor for the broadband era, code-named “Cellâ€￾, as well as other system LSIs, to be used for the next generation computer entertainment system."

NEXT GEN COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM, ALA PS3.

 

[jvd]

COULD BE A HAND HELD SYSTEM, OR ANOTHER SYSTEM? BWAHAHAHA. How old are you, 12? Because that's how you come off as, this is utterly pathedic, im out of this.

Have fun being wrong.

With this investment, SCEI will manufacture the new microprocessor for the broadband era, code-named “Cellâ€￾, as well as other system LSIs, to be used for the next generation computer entertainment system."

NEXT GEN COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM, ALA PS3.

Yes the LSI's will be used in the next generation computer entertainment system. That is how its to be read. Others have agreed with me .

 

[Paul]

It's how it's read to people who don't know how to read. Or people who only want to read what they want to hear.

I question how people like you become moderators, you have already been proved wrong.

SCEI IS THE PLAYSTATION BRANCH, and they say they are PRODUCING CELL AND LSI'S FOR THE NEXT GENERATION COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM.

WHAT ELSE would they use Cell for? A unannounced hand held system? LOL.

Utterly pathedic, good day sir.

 

[jvd]

It's how it's read to people who don't know how to read. Or people who only want to read what they want to hear.

I question how people like you become moderators, you have already been proved wrong.

SCEI IS THE PLAYSTATION BRANCH, and they say they are PRODUCING CELL AND LSI'S FOR THE NEXT GENERATION COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM.

WHAT ELSE would they use Cell for? A unannounced hand held system? LOL.

Utterly pathedic, good day sir.

I belive its u who has been proven wrong time and time again. But now watch your digs you are now saying bbot only wants to read what he wants to hear. Guess what u are doing the same thing. From each of the articles u have posted and your friends have posted saying cell will be in the ps3 as your proof i have posted from with in the same article that the ps3 will not be in the same threads.

As to how i became a mod well i guess I'm one of the only ones who can put aside my own opinions when moding the board.

 

[Tahir2]

With this investment, SCEI will manufacture the new microprocessor for the broadband era, code-named “Cellâ€￾, as well as other system LSIs, to be used for the next generation computer entertainment system."

Well in English comprehension that I studied between the two comma's you should be able to remove the text to ensure the comma's are used correctly and the sentence still makes sense (in this context only). In other words the text in between the comma's (in italic) is akin to more information than required to get the point across than needed but helps in filling in some finer non-essential details.

So you can read that sentence, quote, whatever, like this too:

With this investment, SCEI will manufacture the new microprocessor for the broadband era ... to be used for the next generation computer entertainment system."

This does explicitly state "Cell" is to be used for the next gen comp system.

Another giveaway is the use of "as well as" meaning Cell and/on top of other system LSIs.

The syntax and grammar is pretty clean to be honest and not ambiguous at all. Whether it is accurate or not is a different matter entirely. For this you need a history lesson, hehe.

I have read of massive delays in 'the Cell' on TheInquirer.Net as Cell may not be feasible for a few years in its current form. I don't know if it is true. But it is fun to speculate.

 

[jvd]

With this investment, SCEI will manufacture the new microprocessor for the broadband era, code-named “Cellâ€￾, as well as other system LSIs, to be used for the next generation computer entertainment system."

Well in English comprehension that I studied between the two comma's you should be able to remove the text to ensure the comma's are used correctly and the sentence still makes sense (in this context only). In other words the text in between the comma's (in italic) is akin to more information than required to get the point across than needed but helps in filling in some finer non-essential details.

So you can read that sentence, quote, whatever, like this too:

With this investment, SCEI will manufacture the new microprocessor for the broadband era ... to be used for the next generation computer entertainment system."

This does explicitly state "Cell" is to be used for the next gen comp system.

Another giveaway is the use of "as well as" meaning Cell and/on top of other system LSIs.

The syntax and grammar is pretty clean to be honest and not ambiguous at all. Whether it is accurate or not is a different matter entirely. For this you need a history lesson, hehe.

I have read of massive delays in 'the Cell' on TheInquirer.Net as Cell may not be feasible for a few years in its current form. I don't know if it is true. But it is fun to speculate.

I'll yield to that . Since i have allways admited to my grammar and spelling being bad. Of course i wont yield to the fact that many articles and even press releases starte the cell wont be used in the ps3 , it wont come out till almost 2007 . Explain that away please .

 

[Paul]

"it wont come out till almost 2007"

Let's look at the designchain article, not that it matters because this press release today issued BY SONY proves it wrong anyway.

"IBM has not announced when it will release the final chip, but the Cell project was originally envisioned as taking five years, suggesting that the final product may not be ready until as late as 2007."

See the MAY in that? MAY be not ready until 2007, which obviously has been proved wrong because they are making the plants.

 

[jvd]

"it wont come out till almost 2007"

Let's look at the designchain article, not that it matters because this press release today issued BY SONY proves it wrong anyway.

"IBM has not announced when it will release the final chip, but the Cell project was originally envisioned as taking five years, suggesting that the final product may not be ready until as late as 2007."

See the MAY in that? MAY be not ready until 2007, which obviously has been proved wrong because they are making the plants.

they are making the plants ... thats great how long till they are done and the yields are good ? Sure it wont be only a few months of time

 

[Paul]

"Of course i wont yield to the fact that many articles and even press releases starte the cell wont be used in the ps3"

Although this CURRENT SCEI article proves other wise? What's the past means nothing, because this current scei article proves that cell will be used in the "next gen comp system" which everyone knows is ps3.

I ask you this, why would SCEI lie?