BR/HD-DVD Thread

[max-pain]

http://dualdisc.com/

What Is A DualDisc?

DualDisc has both a CD player side and a DVD side, allowing artists to create in exciting new ways using audio, video and computer content - all on a single two-sided disc.

What Is On A DualDisc?

One side is the full-length CD audio album. The other side offers DVD content. This may include enhanced album audio, 5.1 surround sound, music videos, artist interviews, behind-the-scenes footage, documentary films, photo galleries, lyrics, computer-ready digital song files, and Web links. It all depends on the artist.

DualDisc is officially approved by DVD Forum and it has nothing to do with Blu-ray Disc Association.

DualDisc is a trademark owned by RIAA.

 

[PC-Engine]

Old news buddy and uh read that thread that was linked genius.

If you can't follow what's being talked about then just get out of the way thanks.

I really don't have time to teach you 3rd grade reading comprehension.

 

[rabidrabbit]

you're all over the place with no argument

and why you chose to connect a dual disc format to HD DVD when the announcement was actually for Blu-ray is questionable...

It's funny how you backpedal trying to claim Dual Disc is not for Blu-ray when in fact Blu-ray is indeed the format that's proposing a Dual Format disc. Your futile attempts at trying to argue over semantics of Dual Disc vs dual format disc is plainly pathetic

Maybe you should start your own thread about the cost of a dual format disc and prove that it's cheap since it's a BR proposal seeing that you've ran out of excuses for the increased costs of hard coatings?

No, I wasn't directly referring on the Dual Format BR/CD discs.
I was referring tou your post about Dual Disc, that is accepted by DVD-Forum (who have also accepted HD-DVD, but not BR... now there's a hint ) (this is under that thread about Dual Format and BR.)
Read the thread further than the title genius.

I'm sorry I did confuse the Dual Disc with HD-DVD, when in fact it is for DVD.

My point was, that while you were quick to rush in and downplay in your usual manner the hard coating technology by TDK (who are actively backing the Blu Ray format) saying it is too costly.
While at a same time you have no problems claiming Dual Disc being a direct threat to SACD and overlooking your point that you brought with BR and TDK's hard coating, that it would make extra costs to studios.

 

[PC-Engine]

I didn't mention anything about the cost of Dual Disc. I didn't claim it was expensive or cheap you know why? Because it's irrelevent. Do I care about the cost of miniDVDs? Do I care about the cost of DVD-RAM? No. Do you have a problem with that? If you do then create your own thread and argue with yourself in your dark closet behind your rose tinted goggles.

Oh and I know you meant Dual Disc Sherlock and not a dual format disc, but do you have a problem understanding Dual Disc is just a fancy name for a dual format disc which the Blu-ray group is proposing???

It seems your plan backfired.

Everyone of your attempts at sounding intelligent just backfires...it's ok..it's expected...it's entertaining too.

I like Yamaha motorcycles too, but I don't see a reason to have to prove that it cost less to manufacture than Hondas.

....D..U..M..B....

 

[max-pain]

Old news buddy and uh read that thread that was linked genius.

If you can't follow what's being talked about then just get out of the way thanks.

I really don't have time to teach you 3rd grade reading comprehension.

Get off the high horse.

DualDisc <> Dual Format

 

[PC-Engine]

Old news buddy and uh read that thread that was linked genius.

If you can't follow what's being talked about then just get out of the way thanks.

I really don't have time to teach you 3rd grade reading comprehension.

Get off the high horse.

DualDisc <> Dual Format

I'm not interested in a semantics argument with a 3rd grader...

Learn to read on your own kid.

Xerox copy <> photocopy

 

[max-pain]

Old news buddy and uh read that thread that was linked genius.

If you can't follow what's being talked about then just get out of the way thanks.

I really don't have time to teach you 3rd grade reading comprehension.

Get off the high horse.

DualDisc <> Dual Format

I'm not interested in a semantics argument with a 3rd grader...

Learn to read on your own kid.

Xerox copy <> photocopy

Ok, tell your mom that you win

 

[rabidrabbit]

Ok, I'm having enough of this calling others dumb.
You called Deepak "dumb as a rock" earlier, apparently you got away with it 'cos no mods took action.

Isn't calling names a reason enough for warning and deletion of post?
I know my post where I called you (PC-Engine) "f*ucking idiot" was deleted and I got a warning

I'm not going to pm any mods... but I wish the mods would visit the console forum more often

 

[PC-Engine]

Ok, tell your mom that you win

Sore loser, hey at least you have the balls to admit you lost

I know my post where I called you (PC-Engine) "f*ucking idiot" was deleted and I got a warning

Difference is you have nothing to back it up while I do, so calling you dumb is justified.

 

[gleemax]

Apparently corn starch can be made compatible with Blu-ray, the storage device format supported by Sony and Matsushita. It has a storage capacity of 25 gigabytes, about five times that of a DVD, and offers high performance for recording and playback performance.

We may get video games on corn starch discs. Does anyone know if being biodegradable means the discs won't last as long?

 

[rabidrabbit]

At least if the game sucks you can still eat the disc

 

[-tkf-]

I really don't have time to teach you 3rd grade reading comprehension.

After your SuperBit stand i think everyone here knows you couldn't teach 3rd grade.

 

[PC-Engine]

I really don't have time to teach you 3rd grade reading comprehension.

After your SuperBit stand i think everyone here knows you couldn't teach 3rd grade.

At least I passed the 3rd grade...

It's kinda funny how regular DVD movies with a simple remaster already look as good or better than the supposed Super Duper Bit.

Time to take you back to school boy. That's what happens when you fail the 3rd grade. Now go stand in the corner until you can come up with a relevent argument.

Back to topic.

http://www.compoundsemiconductor.net/articles/news/8/11/3/1

NEC's blue laser hits 300mW output power.
2 November 2004

Scientists at NEC's research laboratories have fabricated the world's most powerful 405 nm continuous-wave GaN laser.

As semiconductor manufacturers look towards volume production of blue lasers for next-generation DVD applications, NEC researchers have developed a powerful GaN source that ought to boost the writing speed of rewritable drives based on the technology.

Developed at the Japanese company's System Device Research Laboratories, the 405 nm laser emits a world-record 300 mW in continuous-wave mode...

...Its subsidiary NEC Compound Semiconductor Devices will have a prototype laser ready for sampling to customers in 2005, and volume manufacturing will take place at the company's Kansai plant in Otsu, Japan.

This one is for -tkf-

http://www.compoundsemiconductor.net/articles/news/8/9/24/1

The optical pick-up is by far the most expensive Blu-ray component to be made available, with a sample price tag of ¥100 000 ($900).

 

[one]

NEC's blue laser hits 300mW output power.

Why do you need higher output when you don't burn a disc?

This one is for -tkf-

http://www.compoundsemiconductor.net/articles/news/8/9/24/1

The optical pick-up is by far the most expensive Blu-ray component to be made available, with a sample price tag of ¥100 000 ($900).

That pickup is for BD-R/BD-RE, not BD-ROM. The laser pick-up for readonly media (expected in PS3) doesn't need as much laser power as rewritable media, hence it has less components = cheap. You're dumb if you think a DVD-ROM drive and a DVD-R/RAM writer are priced equally

http://www.eet.com/article/showArticle.jhtml?articleId=50500058

Nichia will offer two types of 405-nm-wavelength lasers: high-power for recorder applications with 120-milliwatt output power in pulsed operation, and low-power for player applications with 20-mW output power in continuous operation. Nichia expects demand for the latter to grow rapidly, and believes that low-power units will account for about half of its shipments in 2006.
[...]
Sony Corp. in April forged a cross-licensing contract with Nichia involving about 500 Nichia patents and 300 Sony patents. The two companies have been working together for a year and a half to develop volume production technology of the laser diode.

 

[PC-Engine]

Why do you need higher output when you don't burn a disc?

Since when did the HD DVD format become read only?

You think the HD DVD drives going into Toshiba laptops and NEC computers will be read only?

You think stand alone HD DVD recorders won't be availble for recording HD content?

And when you have 20GB HD DVD-Rs, recording speed is a significant factor.

That pickup is for BD-R/BD-RE, not BD-ROM. The laser pick-up for readonly media (expected in PS3) doesn't need as much laser power as rewritable media, hence it has less components = cheap. You're dumb if you think a DVD-ROM drive and a DVD-R/RAM writer are priced equally

Let me as you this then. How much do you think the pickups for read only cost???

A cheap DVD burner costs what? $35? A cheap DVD reader costs what? $15? I guess you're right, a recording pickup adds about $20 at most to a regular read only pickup.

You're dumb if you think a read only pickup is significantly cheaper than a recording pickup.

 

[-tkf-]

It's kinda funny how regular DVD movies with a simple remaster already look as good or better than the supposed Super Duper Bit.

Hahaha, avoiding the issue, not surprised.

Thank god it looks like Blu-Ray is winning instead of the inferior HD-DVD format. More bits = better picture. It's the SUPERBIT way!

 

[PC-Engine]

It's kinda funny how regular DVD movies with a simple remaster already look as good or better than the supposed Super Duper Bit.

Hahaha, avoiding the issue, not surprised.

Thank god it looks like Blu-Ray is winning instead of the inferior HD-DVD format. More bits = better picture. It's the SUPERBIT way!

Avoiding the issue and HaHa indeed.

Time to take off them goggles, dunce hat back on, and back to your corner...

When I was in the 3rd grade my teacher said VHS was inferior to BETAMAX, but he also said that it didn't really matter because GameBoy was inferior to GG, TE, Lynx, Nomad, etc. too.

 

[-tkf-]

This is what you said about Superbit.

Superbit is a stop gap that's fragmenting the DVD standard. I don't want fragmentation.

It's still a stop gap though with only a tiny visual improvement that's still using the same resolution. It hasn't caught on either. At least when VHS was upgraded to S-VHS you had a very noticeable improvement as a result of the higher horizontal resolution.

It's a hack you don't have to agree with it and you don't need a degree to understand that either.

Superbit is to DVD what VHS-HQ is to VHS a stop gap hack.

It requires the stripping out of bonus material from the DVD so it's a hack

I can't think of anyone i could show that without them getting a good laugh, my god, you should be active in politics.

You defend the most hopeless shitty things to get your political agenda across, which seems to be that Sony sucks

The truth is that Blu-Ray is the superior format thanks to it's increased storage space better codecs. Death to the HD-DVD compromise.

 

[jvd]

Stop fighting or the thread will be closed

 

[ChryZ]

Blu-ray disc made out of corn starch