BR/HD-DVD Thread
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To get away from the latest squabbling, here are a few tidbits of actual information that don't seem to have gotten mention yet:
Blu-Ray seems to be looking into an 8cm format BR disk as well. (And with that information there's now speculation running around that PS3 might use that instead. Offhand, though, I think if they limited themselves to 8cm disks, they would be morons. I imagine PS3--and most players/recorders/etc--would be set up to play/record to both, and that publishers would have the option of producing on either, depending on their needs and cost considerations.)
Toshiba has also mentioned firmer plans on the date and price of their first player in the U.S. (No mention of recorders or media.) According to the article, Toshiba's timetable is set to coincide with Sony's, but Sanyo is perhaps going to jump out a bit earlier (though also no firm mention of recorders or media or price.)
Blu-Ray seems to be looking into an 8cm format BR disk as well. (And with that information there's now speculation running around that PS3 might use that instead. Offhand, though, I think if they limited themselves to 8cm disks, they would be morons. I imagine PS3--and most players/recorders/etc--would be set up to play/record to both, and that publishers would have the option of producing on either, depending on their needs and cost considerations.)
Toshiba has also mentioned firmer plans on the date and price of their first player in the U.S. (No mention of recorders or media.) According to the article, Toshiba's timetable is set to coincide with Sony's, but Sanyo is perhaps going to jump out a bit earlier (though also no firm mention of recorders or media or price.)
I think the smaller disc is for camcorders, not for feature-length movies.
It would be one thing to distribute games on a smaller disc.
It would be another thing if the PS3 could only accept the smaller discs. That would mean no movies, which would expect to be released on the larger discs.
It would be one thing to distribute games on a smaller disc.
It would be another thing if the PS3 could only accept the smaller discs. That would mean no movies, which would expect to be released on the larger discs.
Aye, that's what they say. But I figure that unless they purposefully restrict the use of it for movies, some may find use for it as well. (There are a lot of other things out there than "feature-length movies" that may want to use the format as well.)wco81 said:
Which is why I said it would be moronic. Positioning the PS3 to drive the other markets is what it's all about. Anything that can play 12cm should be able to play 8cm, though. (Unless they'll all be cased media, which may be the case for camcorders and the like. But I can't imagine 8cm disk production existing without companies finding other uses for them as well.)
...and be backwards compatible with 12cm PS2 games.
True enough--wasn't quite thinking that through. Hehe... Think the 12cm devices will also be set up for the possibility of playing 8cm disks as well, though? It wouldn't take much on their part (shaping the trays, really), but do you think they'll want 8cm disks to be available caseless and as an option to game publishers?
True, and they would keep the indentations to play old "mini" disks as well, but it's more along the lines of guessing if the BR Forum will let the 8cm standard go out to broadscale purposes, or if they want it mainly for specialized purposes.
(I guess also in the long run, it would depend on if it made sense for publishers to keep an 8cm and a 12cm line running simultaneously, or if the ease-of-use and additional mass printing of 12cm disks would make it just as cheap if not moreso than keeping 8cm for some projects and 12cm for others.)
(I guess also in the long run, it would depend on if it made sense for publishers to keep an 8cm and a 12cm line running simultaneously, or if the ease-of-use and additional mass printing of 12cm disks would make it just as cheap if not moreso than keeping 8cm for some projects and 12cm for others.)
Here's the proper BR/HD-DVD thread, right? 
M'soft coup starts media codec fight
Hmm, does MS try to delay the BD-ROM spec fixation by not releasing a VC-1 test suite? 8) But in that case, VC-1 may be deleted from BD...
M'soft coup starts media codec fight
Hmm, does MS try to delay the BD-ROM spec fixation by not releasing a VC-1 test suite? 8) But in that case, VC-1 may be deleted from BD...
How complicated. I found it most odd that they found WMV9 inferior to MPEG4 by quality. I thought they were really similar.
I don't know if either form would be "dropping" it, unless the format is seriously flawed. I expect that A) Microsoft will get everything acceptable together on VC-1 before it's of concern, or B) the HD parties may be loose on its "mandatory-ness" until Microsoft does indeed get everything together.
There's a Business Week story that Warner Bros., Universal and Paramount are set to announce support for HD-DVD this week.
Disney is in negotiations too.
These would be non-exclusive deals so they could release on BR at a later point if needed.
Looks like BR will need more help from PS3 than ever, to get hardware marketshare so that these and other studios will reconsider. And maybe some strategic titles like Spiderman on BR to push format adoption.
Warner Bros. and Disney have the biggest market share in DVD sales.
So by next Xmas, an LotR box set in HD-DVD or the Pixar titles and things like Lion King may decide which format gets adopted. Of course Star Wars too.
Disney is in negotiations too.
These would be non-exclusive deals so they could release on BR at a later point if needed.
Looks like BR will need more help from PS3 than ever, to get hardware marketshare so that these and other studios will reconsider. And maybe some strategic titles like Spiderman on BR to push format adoption.
Warner Bros. and Disney have the biggest market share in DVD sales.
So by next Xmas, an LotR box set in HD-DVD or the Pixar titles and things like Lion King may decide which format gets adopted. Of course Star Wars too.
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HAH!! Funny!! It took them how long to get the DVD version out....
Maybe one of the sides will make Lucas an offer he can't refuse.
Supposedly Lucas released it partly because of piracy concerns. Didn't he promise that he would release it once he finised all the theatrical releases? So he's about done and does he really have a reason to hold back?
Plus he must be a home theater enthusiast himself.
If he doesn't release, then people can record to BR or HD DVD from the broadcasts of the SW movies on HBO. Don't know about the original 3 but they've played the Clones movie on HBO in HD several times.
Supposedly Lucas released it partly because of piracy concerns. Didn't he promise that he would release it once he finised all the theatrical releases? So he's about done and does he really have a reason to hold back?
Plus he must be a home theater enthusiast himself.
If he doesn't release, then people can record to BR or HD DVD from the broadcasts of the SW movies on HBO. Don't know about the original 3 but they've played the Clones movie on HBO in HD several times.
Ah. Thanks for the correction.snacky said:
Link, in case anyone wants to see it: http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/oct2004/nf20041027_5297_db002.htmwco81 said:
I imagine they'll all be testing the waters in both (except for the Sony-owned ones, of course) as committing to one side or another for an extended period could turn into a big gaffe. There's still too much to keep in mind right now, and no real idea which way the public will turn.
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