BR/HD-DVD Thread
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As a BR supporter, I just thought of a scenario in which BR may be hurt.
Sony announced PSP prices for Japan. So if they release in the US this coming spring, there may be UMD movies available. These are proprietary and can only be played back on the PSP. Some people may buy these and be underwhelmed and get a bad taste about a proprietary format.
When Blu-Ray is introduced along with HD-DVD, a lot of people may think BR is proprietary, even though it will have far greater HW support. Plus, unless they're enthusiasts, they're likely to associate the HD-DVD name with DVD and think that you can only play BR on Sony equipment and BR boxes won't play the DVDs they've collected. Sony has a growing reputation as an overpriced, unreliable brand so the perception that BR can only be played on Sony could really hurt.
Then they could see real high-profile titles like LotR being available only in HD-DVD, again adding to the perception of Sony being isolated.
Hope it isn't true but there is a certain amount of resentment to Sony even among people who should know better (i.e. enthusiasts who could evaluate the superiority of the BR design and other technologies Sony is developing).
Sony announced PSP prices for Japan. So if they release in the US this coming spring, there may be UMD movies available. These are proprietary and can only be played back on the PSP. Some people may buy these and be underwhelmed and get a bad taste about a proprietary format.
When Blu-Ray is introduced along with HD-DVD, a lot of people may think BR is proprietary, even though it will have far greater HW support. Plus, unless they're enthusiasts, they're likely to associate the HD-DVD name with DVD and think that you can only play BR on Sony equipment and BR boxes won't play the DVDs they've collected. Sony has a growing reputation as an overpriced, unreliable brand so the perception that BR can only be played on Sony could really hurt.
Then they could see real high-profile titles like LotR being available only in HD-DVD, again adding to the perception of Sony being isolated.
Hope it isn't true but there is a certain amount of resentment to Sony even among people who should know better (i.e. enthusiasts who could evaluate the superiority of the BR design and other technologies Sony is developing).
Interesting article. Frankly I think they SHOULD "unite"--at least in the way that all the various DVD formats (+R/RW, -R/RW, -RAM...) can inter-operate fairly easily and are adopted at the manufacturer's discretion. It still confuses the end-user a bit too much, but it's they type of confusion they've been used to, and won't actually punish them severely for a choice they made, which if HD/BR remain too split they could be. With DVD it usually just means they have to keep an eye out for one particular type of blank media over another.
HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are getting pretty close in most degrees, so on the whole I'd rather the manufacturers (of both drives and media) could pick and choose between them without having to worry about splintered market conditions. While a "war" usually ends up better for the consumer price-wise, it still only lasts until one side is beaten down, and in the meanwhile they may have to buy multiple machines--wasting a lot MORE money--to make sure they can handle the media that gets produced.
If BR and HD were going to remain substantially different I'd rather they fought it out and "let the best standard win," but from everything but a physical standpoint (and a manufacturing one at that) they're just too similar. Let the manufacturers do what they deem best, and let the consumers off the hook.
HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are getting pretty close in most degrees, so on the whole I'd rather the manufacturers (of both drives and media) could pick and choose between them without having to worry about splintered market conditions. While a "war" usually ends up better for the consumer price-wise, it still only lasts until one side is beaten down, and in the meanwhile they may have to buy multiple machines--wasting a lot MORE money--to make sure they can handle the media that gets produced.
If BR and HD were going to remain substantially different I'd rather they fought it out and "let the best standard win," but from everything but a physical standpoint (and a manufacturing one at that) they're just too similar. Let the manufacturers do what they deem best, and let the consumers off the hook.
BTW, a BD-ROM drive, along with the required silicon to decode H.264 AVC and VC-1 (VC-9/WMV)* would probably raise costs to such an extent that a hard drive or at least substantial storage in the PS3 is less likely.
Maybe they probably push Memory Stick Duo again here.
So that may also mean no hard drive in Xenon either.
*Any indication that the Cell could decode these newer codecs in software?
Maybe they probably push Memory Stick Duo again here.
So that may also mean no hard drive in Xenon either.
*Any indication that the Cell could decode these newer codecs in software?
I'm not expecting a hard drive in any of the base consoles next generation--just the possibility of it through an internal bay or external expansion device. I'll concede that someone might try including it in a more expensive version.
They may try to get at least one large flash memory equivalent included in all of their base units for certain easy updating and saved game storage. PS3 will probably have at least a MS slot, if not adopting it as their memory card standard. (They could always house it in an outer casing if they want to make it more rugged.)
They may try to get at least one large flash memory equivalent included in all of their base units for certain easy updating and saved game storage. PS3 will probably have at least a MS slot, if not adopting it as their memory card standard. (They could always house it in an outer casing if they want to make it more rugged.)
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<laughs> Dammit. You posted it before I did. 
One wonders if this might also end up on the PSP's screen and other upcoming consumer products soon, rather than waiting for The Media of the Future(TM).
One wonders if this might also end up on the PSP's screen and other upcoming consumer products soon, rather than waiting for The Media of the Future(TM).
I was going to post that article too to show how time consuming and ultimately expensive the process is.
I remember someone here claimed TDK already hard coats it's DVD-Rs but what they failed to mention was how expensive those discs are. They're being sold at 6 times the price of regular DVD-Rs. Hollywood isn't too enthusiastic about that.
I remember someone here claimed TDK already hard coats it's DVD-Rs but what they failed to mention was how expensive those discs are. They're being sold at 6 times the price of regular DVD-Rs. Hollywood isn't too enthusiastic about that.
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6 times!!?? So you are a proud user of a cheap Taiwan DVD-R with fake manufacturer ID that can be a coaster anyday?
They've done hardcoating on all their CD-Rs since the late '90s, BTW. And it's only slightly more expensive than others.
If that's true then why do they market these separately?
http://www.meritline.com/tdk-dvd-r-2x-armorplated.html
Welcome to the real world.
I can see Hollywood getting a hardon over this hard coating.
It's not really so uncommon to price new technology products significantly higher, due in part of limited availability.
For example dual layer DVD+R discs cost almost $10. True, there's nearly 2x more storage on these discs, but even if you halve the price they are costly.
It's also common knowledge that these prices go down as the technology becomes more mature and becomes more widespread.
For example dual layer DVD+R discs cost almost $10. True, there's nearly 2x more storage on these discs, but even if you halve the price they are costly.
It's also common knowledge that these prices go down as the technology becomes more mature and becomes more widespread.
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That's true, but people really want (demand) DL DVDs for carbon copying of movies so the manufacturer raises the price to astronomical levels. OTOH people don't really care about super hard coats for DVDs so there's really no point in raising the price. If a DVD gets scratched people will just burn another one. The actual price of the hardcoating probably isn't going to raise the disc price by a factor of 6-8 but it does raise the price significantly for Hollywood to care. Even a few pennies per disc makes a huge difference.
Well, it's the same as with HD-DVD's announced "Dual Disc"
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17289&start=0
That must raise the cost of a HD-DVD disc quite a lot too, though this didn't seem to stop you from praising it
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Now if you're dumb then you might not see the correlation...no problem it's ok..it's expected.
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17289&start=0
That must raise the cost of a HD-DVD disc quite a lot too, though this didn't seem to stop you from praising it
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Now if you're dumb then you might not see the correlation...no problem it's ok..it's expected.
rabidrabbit said:Well, it's the same as with HD-DVD's announced "Dual Disc"
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17289&start=0
That must raise the cost of a HD-DVD disc quite a lot too, though this didn't seem to stop you from praising it
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Now if you're dumb then you might not see the correlation...no problem it's ok..it's expected.
There was no dual disc format announcement for HD DVD, it was for Blu-ray.
Talk about DUMB...
Next time instead of desparately rushing to try and find something to say, try reading the title of that thread first..it might make you look a little less DUMB.
Oops sorry, you are partially right.
The Dual Disc wasn't for HD-DVD, it was for DVD and DVD-Audio (competitor to Sony's SACD Hybrid discs).
So, Dual Disc is not for BluRay either.... how DUMB is that
I'll quote myself with my previous message corrected:
sorry, you are partially right.The Dual Disc wasn't for HD-DVD, it was for DVD and DVD-Audio (competitor to Sony's SACD Hybrid discs).
So, Dual Disc is not for BluRay either.... how DUMB is that
I'll quote myself with my previous message corrected:
rabidrabbit said:
...which is the topic at hand..
It isn't about the cost of a dual format DVD/CD...nice attempt in derailing the thread though.
Oh btw Dual Disc is just a fancy name for a dual format disc...hint that thread was about a dual format BD/CD not a dual format HD DVD/CD.
Just give up dude...you're out of room.
I wasn't referring to the title of that thread.
I was referring to your post on that thread.
Title of thread about BR Dual Format Disc
Post in thread not directly about title but about comparable technology which was claimed to preturb Sony.
Derailed post brought under another derailed thread because it was thought the same logic should be applied there.
Why are you focusing just on the thread title, I don't know...
I'm not derailing, I'm just bringing a new point of view
I was referring to your post on that thread.
Title of thread about BR Dual Format Disc
Post in thread not directly about title but about comparable technology which was claimed to preturb Sony.
Derailed post brought under another derailed thread because it was thought the same logic should be applied there.
Why are you focusing just on the thread title, I don't know...
I'm not derailing, I'm just bringing a new point of view
you're all over the place with no argument
and why you chose to connect a dual disc format to HD DVD when the announcement was actually for Blu-ray is questionable...
It's funny how you backpedal trying to claim Dual Disc is not for Blu-ray when in fact Blu-ray is indeed the format that's proposing a Dual Format disc. Your futile attempts at trying to argue over semantics of Dual Disc vs dual format disc is plainly pathetic
Maybe you should start your own thread about the cost of a dual format disc and prove that it's cheap since it's a BR proposal seeing that you've ran out of excuses for the increased costs of hard coatings?
and why you chose to connect a dual disc format to HD DVD when the announcement was actually for Blu-ray is questionable...
It's funny how you backpedal trying to claim Dual Disc is not for Blu-ray when in fact Blu-ray is indeed the format that's proposing a Dual Format disc. Your futile attempts at trying to argue over semantics of Dual Disc vs dual format disc is plainly pathetic
Maybe you should start your own thread about the cost of a dual format disc and prove that it's cheap since it's a BR proposal seeing that you've ran out of excuses for the increased costs of hard coatings?
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