Blu-ray and ps3.

[Panajev2001a]

$599 and you can get an HDTV ( plus shipping in some stores... Best Buy gives you FREE shipping )...

 

[Clashman]

And most people won't even spend that much. You're looking at this from a very tech-oriented, and fairly affluent viewpoint. If you start getting $200 HDTV's you'll start to see serious market penetration. But even that will take time, as most people won't get rid of their current TV if they feel it is working fine. Even if broadcasting does become mandatory in 2006, which I HIGHLY doubt, that doesn't mean old TV's will go away. They'll get signal converters or, (more likely), regular signals will continue alongside HDTV for many years until it takes enough market share to shut off the old ones. As it stands, the vast majority of the people in this country won't be seeing any of the benefits of HDTV, and so at least that aspect of blue ray will also remain a niche market.

 

[nonamer]

I posted another post on another thread about a Bluray alternative. Here it is (perhaps this could be in PS3 instead of Bluray?):

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6317&start=48

 

[PC-Engine]

I posted another post on another thread about a Bluray alternative. Here it is (perhaps this could be in PS3 instead of Bluray?):

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6317&start=48

FMD has been done before too, but we still haven't seen any products yet. That technology will be even MORE expensive than BD.

 

[nonamer]

I posted another post on another thread about a Bluray alternative. Here it is (perhaps this could be in PS3 instead of Bluray?):

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6317&start=48

FMD has been done before too, but we still haven't seen any products yet. That technology will be even MORE expensive than BD.

Yes, but as data storage demands grows every greater, something that can provide those multi-hundred GBytes in optical form will be necessary. Without another alternative, holographic may become the only long-term solution.

 

[chaphack]

Possible for Sony to use a UMD2 disc, compatible with PSP UMD stuffs.

 

[archie4oz]

UMD is a replacement for MO... The PSP is likely just using a smaller format implimentation of UMD...

 

[Evil_Cloud]

I posted another post on another thread about a Bluray alternative. Here it is (perhaps this could be in PS3 instead of Bluray?):

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6317&start=48

FMD has been done before too, but we still haven't seen any products yet. That technology will be even MORE expensive than BD.

Yes, but as data storage demands grows every greater, something that can provide those multi-hundred GBytes in optical form will be necessary. Without another alternative, holographic may become the only long-term solution.

using a sizey built-in hard disk would help to solve that problem (FFXI is played with HDD, not DVD )

 

[Panajev2001a]

UMD is a replacement for MO... The PSP is likely just using a smaller format implimentation of UMD...

So the UMD is not limited in size to the 60 mm UMD disc ( 1.8 GB ) announced for the PSP ?

Is the UMD Re-Writeable ? ( your comment about UMD being a replacement for UMD... I can imagine people buying media like movies and music videos for PSP and transfer them on empty UMD discs, but I do not see people buying in UMD discs movies they already own in DVDs )

 

[Psychogenics]

I posted another post on another thread about a Bluray alternative. Here it is (perhaps this could be in PS3 instead of Bluray?):

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6317&start=48

Since Sony is one of the 10 to support Blu-ray why use another median...
UMD are also going to be compatible with Blu-ray "according to Sony in a presentation" pspinsider.com/hardware/0003.html...But in either
case Blu-ray is the way to go.

 

[Evil_Cloud]

So you can play PSP games on your PS3?

 

[Psychogenics]

No but in refernce to movies it is going to be compatible in mpeg 4 format.

 

[MfA]

I wonder what they are going to do about DVD->UMD copying. Is the BCA used to put unique IDs on movie DVDs? If not there will simply be no way for them to put any scheme in place for copying which will satisfy Disney and cohorts, even with unique IDs they would need to use a customer unfriendly online database to ensure single copies (which the MPAA would probably prefer be tied down to your single PSP too).

They will have to give the finger to the content providers or to their customers. Given how big a deal they are making about DRM support I fear for the worst.

 

[Psychogenics]

There will always the select few who can do it...but it becomes serious if the general consumer can do it too.But I rather buy the original to stimulate industry growth and I'm pretty sure that the average consumer will too seeing that if the game or movie doesn't work you can't return them.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Blu-Ray uses MPEG 2 for recording and play-back ( easy to add MPEG4 playback, but not recording ) so yes UMD discs in PSP will have MPEG4 video, but I doubt PSP does even real-time MPEG2 encoding...

 

[Psychogenics]

Blu-Ray uses MPEG 2 for recording and play-back ( easy to add MPEG4 playback, but not recording ) so yes UMD discs in PSP will have MPEG4 video, but I doubt PSP does even real-time MPEG2 encoding...

What are the chances that PS3 will use Blu-ray technology in your opinion?

 

[jvd]

Blu-Ray uses MPEG 2 for recording and play-back ( easy to add MPEG4 playback, but not recording ) so yes UMD discs in PSP will have MPEG4 video, but I doubt PSP does even real-time MPEG2 encoding...

What are the chances that PS3 will use Blu-ray technology in your opinion?

dude its simple. If its cheap enough at the time of launch it will 99% chance be in the ps3. If its expensive or there are any problems with the medium it wont be in ps3

 

[Panajev2001a]

Blu-Ray uses MPEG 2 for recording and play-back ( easy to add MPEG4 playback, but not recording ) so yes UMD discs in PSP will have MPEG4 video, but I doubt PSP does even real-time MPEG2 encoding...

What are the chances that PS3 will use Blu-ray technology in your opinion?

dude its simple. If its cheap enough at the time of launch it will 99% chance be in the ps3. If its expensive or there are any problems with the medium it wont be in ps3

I think it is more complicate than that... PlayStation 3 needs Blu-Ray too and Blu-Ray needs PlayStation 3 quite a lot to become a de-facto standard for HDTV recording ( Digital VCR [hey it can record 480i sources too ) and HD movies playback...

Unless it is IMPOSSIBLY expensive, Blu-Ray ( maybe Blu-Ray "lit" ) should be in PlayStation 3 and trying to make it fit is a priority for Ken Kutaragi.

Kutaragi is the head of SCE and also of the group responsible for Blu-Ray promotion and success in the market: if he can get Blu-Ray in PlayStation 3 that would be a very good move for the whole Blu-Ray group in a non trivial battle for affirmation in the consumer electronics market.

Kutaragi might, with that kind of shot, get closer to be head of the whole Sony corp. and his weight in Sony is enough to shift enough resources to make Blu-Ray "lite" possible with PlayStation 3.

This way, R&D costs for Blu-Ray would be used to push another Sony technology and Blu-Ray would be able to generate and sustain quite a bit of hype and it would help consumers to feel that PlayStation 3's value is very high ( "more bang for your buck" as they say )...

 

[jvd]

i can see where you are coming from but i will tell you this much if the ps3 costs to much that will be one of the first things to get thrown out. no way will sony loose more than a one or two hundred per system.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I do not think Blu-Ray will be too expensive... the console will not ship until late 2005 or early 2006 so by that time the next revision ( die shrink of CPU and GPU ) are quite close and manufacturing of the current chipsets should have gone down thanks to the better yelds...

I see your point, but I do not see Sony just waking up now and thinking about putting Blu-Ray "lite" in PlayStation 3, this decision was made quite a while ago IMHO...