Beyond the current OOTB features like AA and AF

[Deathlike2]

Is that an X1k-only thing?

Yes.

 

[Kombatant]

Maybe it's just me.. I don't remember where I've seen the screenshots of it.. and I don't remember many reviews/reviewers mentioning this as much.

You've probably seen a thread of mine on Rage3D, telling people of the new feature in X1k cards. Yes, this thing has passed under the radar of many people as I recently discovered in a IM conversation I had (you know who you are ) - I consider it strange, since it was supposed to be a very sought out feature for Radeon cards.

 

[Deathlike2]

You've probably seen a thread of mine on Rage3D, telling people of the new feature in X1k cards. Yes, this thing has passed under the radar of many people as I recently discovered in a IM conversation I had (you know who you are ) - I consider it strange, since it was supposed to be a very sought out feature for Radeon cards.

I might have. I partially blame that on ATI marketing (or PR.. for not doing a good enough job).

Even now, most pro-DV users (or NVidia users in general) probably don't know it exists and still think NVidia only provides such a solution.

 

[RejZoR]

No, the question thats more imprtant is, does it work as well as Digital Vibrance?
Since you can't do screenshots of it is kinda hard to compare unless you see it on your own. And i haven't heard a single x1000 series user talking about this feature (review sites also appear to be very silent about this).

 

[Kombatant]

No, the question thats more imprtant is, does it work as well as Digital Vibrance?
Since you can't do screenshots of it is kinda hard to compare unless you see it on your own. And i haven't heard a single x1000 series user talking about this feature (review sites also appear to be very silent about this).

It's actually more flexible than DV; if you noticed from the screenshot, you can alter the saturation as much (or as little) as you like; it doesn't have preset saturation levels.

 

[KimB]

Huh? DV has a continuous saturation slider, too (it's been ages since you could only select one of four or so settings).

 

[Kombatant]

Huh? DV has a continuous saturation slider, too (it's been ages since you could only select one of four or so settings).

Last time I used an nVidia card (back when 7800GTX launched), I remember it having discrete settings. If this has changed in recent times, I stand corrected.

 

[Deathlike2]

Found it:
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33838394&highlight=AVIVO+Digital+Vibrance

Huh? DV has a continuous saturation slider, too (it's been ages since you could only select one of four or so settings).

I'll have to check.. but I really hadn't noticed that (I don't remember it being mentioned in any review though). I don't use that feature and frankly don't care for it when I tried it out on a Geforce 3 I had.. the colors weren't to my liking and it was just limited to that slider.

And i haven't heard a single x1000 series user talking about this feature (review sites also appear to be very silent about this).

The original problem is because it wasn't really noticed. I now remember Kombatant's post in Rage3D and that's probably the only reason why I knew about it.

 

[KimB]

Last time I used an nVidia card (back when 7800GTX launched), I remember it having discrete settings. If this has changed in recent times, I stand corrected.

This would probably have only been for a specific driver revision or somesuch. A continuous slider's been available for years for Digital Vibrance. Now, going back to a discrete slider every once in a while I can only attribute to the trained monkeys who are writing the GUI for nVidia's drivers. Though I suppose in the monkeys' defense there may be a reason for doing it (related to debugging) in early drivers for new products.

 

[ChronoReverse]

DV has a continuous sliding bar (as of 81.98). You also set the Saturation and Hue for the overlay manually.

 

[Geo]

What I remember of my DV slider a couple months ago was that it was both --continuous and had several discrete stops on it. The discrete stop marked "Low" was not nearly low enough for me, btw --but it was possible to set the slider lower than that. I must admit that wasn't intuitively obvious to me at first; someone else pointed it out to me.

Yes, my x1800xlaiw has this control too. I just went and played with it. It is certainly more subtle gradations and narrower total range than I remember from my 6800GT experience.

 

[Deathlike2]

DV has a continuous sliding bar (as of 81.98). You also set the Saturation and Hue for the overlay manually.

I see the sliding bar in 77.72... however I believe the individual controls seem to be recent (80.xx). Is there a picture for the 80.xx for reference?

Now, going back to a discrete slider every once in a while I can only attribute to the trained monkeys who are writing the GUI for nVidia's drivers.

I'm very amused that you continue to refer to all the programmers that deal with GUI design as monkeys.. I share that sentiment. I'd like to see the whole NVidia Refresh Rate component to be redesigned. Although ATI's equivalent feature isn't as configurable as NVidia's, ATI's version gives greater control for enforcing a unified option over every resolution. The worst part of NVidia's feature is there are bugs in it. For example, the panel crashes when attempting to change the refresh rate in a specified resolution in the earlier versions (this, I've experienced a lot, I don't believe it occurs now)... but whatever I guess.

 

[RejZoR]

Yeah, DV and Image Sharpening sliders can be moved milimeter by milimeter.
Just select the slider and use left/right arrow keys to fine tune them. Each "gate" has 20 key jumps. So 4 gates means 4x20 = 80 fine tune positions for DV slider.

Regarding refresh force:

I doubt that it can be any more advanced and simple at the same time.
Though i agree it should be enabled by default.

Use this key to enable this refresh force panel:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\NVTweak]
"NvCplDisableRefreshRatePage"=dword:00000000

And please don't start about interface because i hate CCC from the bottom of my heart.
The worst software design ever seen. I've also briefly seen new NVIDIA Control Panel and i also don't like it. This old and proven NV CP is the best. Has all functions which are quickly accessable, yet it opens in the blink of an eye + it doesn't take any memory while not running. What else would i ever expect from graphic card CP than this. Seriously.

 

[Xmas]

I haven't used that yet, but from the screenshot I would suggest two things. First, drop the bit depths altogether. Nobody needs that. And second, allow multiselect to change the setting for multiple resolutions at once.

 

[Deathlike2]

Yeah, DV and Image Sharpening sliders can be moved milimeter by milimeter.
Just select the slider and use left/right arrow keys to fine tune them. Each "gate" has 20 key jumps. So 4 gates means 4x20 = 80 fine tune positions for DV slider.

I doubt that it can be any more advanced and simple at the same time.
Though i agree it should be enabled by default.

Use this key to enable this refresh force panel:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\NVTweak]
"NvCplDisableRefreshRatePage"=dword:00000000

And please don't start about interface because i hate CCC from the bottom of my heart.
The worst software design ever seen. I've also briefly seen new NVIDIA Control Panel and i also don't like it. This old and proven NV CP is the best. Has all functions which are quickly accessable, yet it opens in the blink of an eye + it doesn't take any memory while not running. What else would i ever expect from graphic card CP than this. Seriously.

I was looking for a pic of Digitial Vibrance in the 80.xx series...

I don't recall the Refresh Rate feature to have changed too much though. What I was looking for was an option to enforce a refresh rate over all resolutions (like a setting for using the optimal monitor settings, enforcing a specific/custom refresh rate like 75Hz)... something along those lines... instead of having to use something like Reforce or Rivatuner...

The supposed new NVidia control panel seems OK..

The current NVidia CP could be better somehow.. I don't know what exactly.. but it could.

The CCC could vastly be better.. but that's a different topic/thread/discussion.

 

[Deathlike2]

I haven't used that yet, but from the screenshot I would suggest two things. First, drop the bit depths altogether. Nobody needs that. And second, allow multiselect to change the setting for multiple resolutions at once.

Agreed on those points.. particularly the second (which is what I'm asking for).

 

[RejZoR]

Why? If you don't need to change bit depth you simply leave it as it is. Someone else might need bit depth as well. Applying same refresh over entire range of resolutions is not wise to do.
For example my screen can do 120Hz at 640x480, but can't at 1024x768 (only 85Hz).
So forcing 120Hz for 1024x768 is obviously an overkill (and not good for display health).
All you need is to do is to force max 3-4 refresh values (640x480,800x600,1024x768 and 1280x1024). Is that so hard? If you use some higher rank display and video card you simply move the zone higher (starting at 800x600 or 1024x768 instead).
Basically i always play at 1024x768 so i forced 85Hz to this res only and thats it. Everything works as expected. Honestly this panel is quiet well designed for basic and advanced needs while still being simple. No need to complicate things. You don't change refresh as often as FSAA settings do you? I think not...

 

[KimB]

Why? If you don't need to change bit depth you simply leave it as it is. Someone else might need bit depth as well. Applying same refresh over entire range of resolutions is not wise to do.
For example my screen can do 120Hz at 640x480, but can't at 1024x768 (only 85Hz).

But the driver should be able to detect that information, and thus if you select, say, 100Hz to apply to all resolutions, it should apply it to every res that supports that refresh, and the maximum supported for all others. That would be a vastly preferable way to do refresh rate forcing.

 

[Pete]

Plus, it's the intuitive thing to do. (Well, maybe not to monkeys, but given enough keyboards and enough time....)

RejZor, I'm guessing it'd be rare for someone to want different refresh rates for different color depths at a single resolution. There is such a thing as too many options. Then again, as that isn't a default panel, NV probably just left the GUI in an "advanced user" state (read: all thinking--aka, full control--left to user).

 

[Ailuros]

In my mind post processing filters like DV or image sharpening are mostly meant to "emulate" some LCD characteristics on typical CRTs. I use a tiny pinch of DV on the CRT and leave it untouched on my laptop. Same goes for image sharpening.

Here's my favourite page for monitor callibration:

http://www.normankoren.com/makingfineprints1A.html