ATI RS780 benchmarks

[swaaye]

In an attempt to get some numbers for the 2D performance of the 780G, I've used PCMark05 and a benchmark called Crystalmark which tests Directdraw and GDI. I tested with the IGP configured to the default 256MB and then added my PCIe HD 3850 512MB.

Other system specs were:

Nothing changed between tests other than the video card. The system is not overclocked in any way.


PCMark05:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm05=1554923
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm05=1554953
Red = IGP, Green = 3850

Crystalmark:
all at 1920x1200

HD3200-----------------
GDI 7349
Text 1204
Square 2559
Circle 1994
BitBlt 1592
D2D 1363
Sprite 10 58.30 FPS (5)
Sprite 100 52.37 FPS (52)
Sprite 500 35.87 FPS (179)
Sprite 1000 26.28 FPS (262)
Sprite 5000 8.17 FPS (408)
Sprite 10000 4.57 FPS (457)

HD3850-----------------
GDI 11637
Text 1460
Square 3227
Circle 2414
BitBlt 4536
D2D 2764
Sprite 10 832.86 FPS (83)
Sprite 100 412.43 FPS (412)
Sprite 500 107.62 FPS (538)
Sprite 1000 55.88 FPS (558)
Sprite 5000 11.69 FPS (584)
Sprite 10000 5.89 FPS (589)


So, basically, not only do you not have 3D performance of a 3850 (well duh!), you also don't get near the 2D speed (not good). This isn't going to be the case with a $20 X1550 card.

A 3850 adds only ~20W to system power consumption while idle (as I measured).

And I'd like to add that editing forum posts on this IGP is actually very slow. I've never seen forum input boxes take a while to redraw before. And changing to this tab from another in Firefox is literally a 2 second wait. It's strange stuff as sometimes it feels very snappy, but other times it feels like a S3 968 VLB.


Addition:
Overclocked Results
2700 MHz CPU, 1350 MHz HT bus, 900MHz DDR2, default 500MHz IGP
green=oc, red=stock from before

Crystalmark:
all at 1920x1200

HD3200 stock as before-----------------
GDI 7349
Text 1204
Square 2559
Circle 1994
BitBlt 1592
D2D 1363
Sprite 10 58.30 FPS (5)
Sprite 100 52.37 FPS (52)
Sprite 500 35.87 FPS (179)
Sprite 1000 26.28 FPS (262)
Sprite 5000 8.17 FPS (408)
Sprite 10000 4.57 FPS (457)
HD3200 overclocked system-------------
GDI 8999
Text 1498
Square 3132
Circle 2612
BitBlt 1757
D2D 1676
Sprite 10 80.48 FPS (8)
Sprite 100 71.38 FPS (71)
Sprite 500 47.13 FPS (235)
Sprite 1000 33.11 FPS (331)
Sprite 5000 9.90 FPS (495)
Sprite 10000 5.36 FPS (536)

 

[Tchock]

swaaye, what about the BIOS?

Some manufacturers ramped up the 780G clocks in subsequent BIOS revs. Might not seem much but I'm sure every bit helps.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

I wonder if any others have had this problem. I remember having an issue VERY similar to this with an old X800 XTPE and 9700pro. I can't remember what I did to get the issue to go away however.

It could have just been a driver that "magically" fixed the slow webpage scrolling. It's been so long I really don't remember what fixed it.

Here's to hoping it's just a driver issue. And be nice to hear from others if they have this problem as it's pretty tempting to build a WHS/HTPC wit this.

Regards,
SB

 

[nutball]

OK I had a bit of a fiddle with one of my systems, scrolling is fine in this forum, Techreport, etc.

Here are my Crystalmark numbers:

[ GDI ] 5728
Text : 473
Square : 2348
Circle : 1308
BitBlt : 1599
[ D2D ] 1548
Sprite 10 : 143.57 FPS ( 14)
Sprite 100 : 121.55 FPS ( 121)
Sprite 500 : 59.74 FPS ( 298)
Sprite 1000 : 33.99 FPS ( 339)
Sprite 5000 : 7.80 FPS ( 390)
Sprite 10000 : 3.86 FPS ( 386)

System specs

Spoiler

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
System Information
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
OS : Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 [5.1 Build 2600]
Display Mode : 1360 x 768 32bit 60Hz
Memory : 1791 MB
DirectX : 9.0c
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CPU
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CPU Name : AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ (Windsor)
Vendor String : AuthenticAMD
Name String : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3600+
Platform : Socket AM2
CPU Type : Original OEM processor
Number(Logical) : 2
Family : F
FamilyEx : 00
Generation : F
Model : B
Stepping : 2
BrandID : 04
APIC : 00
Feature : MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 MMX+ 3DNow! 3DNow!+ NX AMD-V AMD64

Current Original
Clock : 2009.31 MHz 2000.00 MHz
System Clock : 200.93 MHz 200.00 MHz
System Bus : 1004.65 MHz 1000.00 MHz
Multiplier : 10.00 10.00
Data Rate : HT
Over Clock : 0.47 %

L1 I-Cache : 64 KB
L1 D-Cache : 64 KB
L2 Cache : 256 KB [Full:2009.31 MHz]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Device
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ChipSet : AMD Unknown
North : AMD Unknown
South : ATI Unknown
IDE Controller : Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Graphics
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Video : ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
Video Product : ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
Video Vendor : ATI Technologies Inc.
Video Chip : ATI display adapter (0x9610)
Video RAM : 700 MB
Driver Version : 6.14.10.6764
Driver Date : 2008/01/10
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HDD
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Type Size Model ( Buffer Mode )
SATA 250.0GB WDC WD2500BEVS-22UST0 8192KB SATA/150
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BIOS
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vendor : Award Software International, Inc.
Caption : Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Version : RS780 - 42302e31
Date : 2008/03/03
SM BIOS Caption : F3
SM BIOS Version : 2.4
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mother
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vendor :
Product : RS780-SB700
Version : Unknox
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Computer System
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vendor : Unknow
Product : Unknow

 

[chavvdarrr]

OK I had a bit of a fiddle with one of my systems, scrolling is fine in this forum, Techreport, etc.

what about driver version?
I do remember to have something like that years ago with R9000 .... afaik it was fixed by next driver

 

[nutball]

what about driver version?
I do remember to have something like that years ago with R9000 .... afaik it was fixed by next driver

That's 8.452.0.0 which I believe is Catalyst 8.4.

I checked on my second HTPC (pretty much identical hardware) which has Catalyst 8.5 and that's OK too for scrolling.

 

[swaaye]

Nutball, what CPU are you using in the board? And can you run a pass of Crystalmark's D2D and GDI tests? If you can't do 1920x1200, just run them at whatever and I can retest at that res. http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalMark/index-e.html

 

[ShaidarHaran]

Have you applied the AMD dual-core CPU driver and MS XP hotfix?

 

[Davros]

swayee you have the mboard drivers installed ?
or have you assumed the notebook vendor did it ?

edit : just realised you dont have a notebook

 

[swaaye]

Have you applied the AMD dual-core CPU driver and MS XP hotfix?

AMD CPU driver and Dual Core Optimizer. I don't use the MS XP hotfix because the kernel version is very old and I'm on SP3 anyway.

 

[swaaye]

swayee you have the mboard drivers installed ?
or have you assumed the notebook vendor did it ?

Notebook? It's a microATX mobo. Yeah, I installed ATI's Catalyst 8.5 IGP pack.

 

[nutball]

Nutball, what CPU are you using in the board? And can you run a pass of Crystalmark's D2D and GDI tests? If you can't do 1920x1200, just run them at whatever and I can retest at that res. http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalMark/index-e.html

Situation is I have two HTPCs with the same motherboard, both with the same processor (X2 3600+). The first has 2GB memory, runs Catalyst 8.4 and is hooked to an HDTV (1360x768), results are here.

The second has only 1GB RAM, runs Catalyst 8.5 and is hooked to a 1920x1200 display, so here are the results from that:


[ GDI ] 6434
Text : 558
Square : 2449
Circle : 1934
BitBlt : 1493
[ D2D ] 1537
Sprite 10 : 66.71 FPS ( 6)
Sprite 100 : 60.16 FPS ( 60)
Sprite 500 : 41.55 FPS ( 207)
Sprite 1000 : 29.88 FPS ( 298)
Sprite 5000 : 9.32 FPS ( 466)
Sprite 10000 : 5.00 FPS ( 500)

System info:

Spoiler

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
System Information
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
OS : Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 [5.1 Build 2600]
Display Mode : 1920 x 1200 32bit 60Hz
Memory : 767 MB
DirectX : 9.0c
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CPU
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CPU Name : AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ (Windsor)
Vendor String : AuthenticAMD
Name String : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3600+
Platform : Socket AM2
CPU Type : Original OEM processor
Number(Logical) : 2
Family : F
FamilyEx : 00
Generation : F
Model : B
Stepping : 2
BrandID : 04
APIC : 00
Feature : MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 MMX+ 3DNow! 3DNow!+ NX AMD-V AMD64

Current Original
Clock : 2009.31 MHz 2000.00 MHz
System Clock : 200.93 MHz 200.00 MHz
System Bus : 1004.65 MHz 1000.00 MHz
Multiplier : 10.00 10.00
Data Rate : HT
Over Clock : 0.47 %

L1 I-Cache : 64 KB
L1 D-Cache : 64 KB
L2 Cache : 256 KB [Full:2009.31 MHz]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Device
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ChipSet : AMD Unknown
North : AMD Unknown
South : ATI Unknown
IDE Controller : Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Graphics
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Video : ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
Video Product : ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
Video Vendor : ATI Technologies Inc.
Video Chip : ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics (0x9610)
Video RAM : 384 MB
Driver Version : 6.14.10.6806
Driver Date : 2008/05/12
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HDD
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Type Size Model ( Buffer Mode )
SATA 40.0GB WDC WD400BEVS-00RST0 8192KB SATA/150
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BIOS
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vendor : Award Software International, Inc.
Caption : Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Version : GBT - 42302e31
Date : 2008/04/30
SM BIOS Caption : F4
SM BIOS Version : 2.4
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mother
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vendor :
Product : RS780-SB700
Version : Unknox
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Computer System
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vendor : Unknow
Product : Unknow

 

[swaaye]

Looks like we get generally the same results. Thanks for testing. It just seems that these IGPs don't have close to the 2D speed of a discrete card, that's all. Could be memory speed related, or just a scaled back 2D engine. I don't have numbers, but I really feel that the Intel GMAs I've used offer quicker 2D.

Same system, but with the HD 3850 added. Same drivers too.
GDI 11637
Text 1460
Square 3227
Circle 2414
BitBlt 4536
D2D 2764
Sprite 10 832.86 FPS (83)
Sprite 100 412.43 FPS (412)
Sprite 500 107.62 FPS (538)
Sprite 1000 55.88 FPS (558)
Sprite 5000 11.69 FPS (584)
Sprite 10000 5.89 FPS (589)

 

[swaaye]

I just realized that my scrolling slowness has disappeared.... no idea why.

 

[swaaye]

Well, after getting all curious about why suddenly 2D was now super smooth and quick, I rebooted. A warm reboot got me still-quick 2D. So I powered off and back on. Now I'm back to slow choppy 2D. This is perplexing...

So, I unplugged everything from the mobo except the power switch, power lines, boot drive, DVI, and keyboard/mouse. I switched to different USB mouse and KB, just in case, too. Still slow 2D. Tried Catalyst 8.4. Nope. Tried disabling CnQ. Nope. Disabled "northbridge power management" or whatever it's exactly called under the advanced chipset settings (hidden normally). Nothin.

Different RAM: Slow 2D. 20->24pin adapter for my 20-pin PSU: Slow 2D. BIOS clear with jumper: nada.

A thing to note is that when the system had magically switched to Spendid2D mode, it had been on for 24 hours or so. And I believe the power usage was up 10 watts as it was idling at 85W. It was so fast and nice, and now I'm back to watching windows redraw and browers jerk around.

F4 BIOS revision on a 1.0 board, btw.

 

[stevem]

Almost sounds akin to the AGP card quirks. Tried the hotfix drivers?

From the BIOS, what values have you set for UMA & IGX config frame buffer lock?

 

[Tchock]

Well, after getting all curious about why suddenly 2D was now super smooth and quick, I rebooted. A warm reboot got me still-quick 2D. So I powered off and back on. Now I'm back to slow choppy 2D. This is perplexing...

So, I unplugged everything from the mobo except the power switch, power lines, boot drive, DVI, and keyboard/mouse. I switched to different USB mouse and KB, just in case, too. Still slow 2D. Tried Catalyst 8.4. Nope. Tried disabling CnQ. Nope. Disabled "northbridge power management" or whatever it's exactly called under the advanced chipset settings (hidden normally). Nothin.

Different RAM: Slow 2D. 20->24pin adapter for my 20-pin PSU: Slow 2D. BIOS clear with jumper: nada.

A thing to note is that when the system had magically switched to Spendid2D mode, it had been on for 24 hours or so. And I believe the power usage was up 10 watts as it was idling at 85W. It was so fast and nice, and now I'm back to watching windows redraw and browers jerk around.

F4 BIOS revision on a 1.0 board, btw.

Did you enter any 3D apps in this 24hr period?

My 2900XT has a knack for clocking up and not clocking down, blasting off in the night when I leave my system on for Tor.

I think Powerplay might have overdone itself on the current BIOS rev you're using.

 

[swaaye]

Almost sounds akin to the AGP card quirks. Tried the hotfix drivers?

From the BIOS, what values have you set for UMA & IGX config frame buffer lock?

I've tried 512 and 256MB UMA size. And "Above 4G" and "Below 4G" for the IGX config. They don't seem to affect the speed issue.

 

[swaaye]

I just figured it out. I have 2 LCDs hooked up to the mobo, one on DVI and the other on VGA out. If the VGA out is disabled, it's slow. When I enable VGA, 2D is fast.

I tried a few other things with this too. Booted with just VGA; slow. Booted with VGA unplugged completely, with only DVI plugged in; slow. It seems that only with both outputs running does it speed up to smooth, quick 2D.

What does this mean?!

 

[nutball]

Is this a primary / secondary display issue? When I had two displays attached one was fast the other was dog slow (sorry, I'd forgotten about that until you mentioned this!). I think it's not uncommon that only the primary display is accelerated.