Another Anand tease...
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Evildeus said:Anyone saw the pic on Nvnews? Seems to me we have our answer.
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http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1556
Those are *very* nice looking images, if they are from tech demos I wouldn't mind seeing them in action... drool!
Bambers said:
Do you know that?
Yes the orginal UT2003 test was a flyby test (with a higher graphics level stress than the game), but did have bots so AI was included. Karma has been added since those original tests I beleive. They are map demo's from the game, like traditional Quake demo's I expect, used in the last 2 comparisions. I would expect them to include bots.
Hi Randell,
Daniel Vogel has said as much over in our forums, too. All released demo versions have bots disabled. Daniel also said that Epic was targeting 30-40fps with all bells and whistles enabled in-game on GF4Ti / XP1900 platforms. Reason being the game should scale properly with future hardware . . .
ta,
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Yes, we know that--Anand explains it at the beginning of the second GPU shootout:Randell said:
Daniel Vogel has said as much over in our forums, too. All released demo versions have bots disabled. Daniel also said that Epic was targeting 30-40fps with all bells and whistles enabled in-game on GF4Ti / XP1900 platforms. Reason being the game should scale properly with future hardware . . .
ta,
-Sascha.rb
Adding AI and physics (both CPU intensive actions) shouldn't affect the GF2MX much (assuming they're getting decent parallelism).
Gollum said:
Now we know that John Carmack and company (id Software) has access to a R300 (for a few months already), so why wouldn't Epic already have one by now?
All video card makers will be working closely with game companies through their developer relations program. If they're not, they're doing something vastly wrong.
I don't think it'll be a video card. It just doesn't make much sense to me.
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BRiT said:
I agree with you on that.
Why would, let's say Nvidia send a card to Anand before they send one to Epic ?
The problem with the CPU thing is that UT2003 seems to be pretty GPU limited and i don't think it would do that much better with a 3000+ Hammer instead if say a 2.5 GHz Pentium 4. Especially at 1024*768 with 2X FSAA and 4 lv aniso.
So why would Epic bother to go down to Anand's to see 30 extra fps at 640*480 ?
I'm not ruling out that it's a CPU, but it just doesn't make much sense either.
Speculation mode on:
Let's say it's Nvidia and, as has been mentioned, they might need some publicity right now because of the R300. And they might not have that many cards to send out at the moment. Another thing, they're sending a guy with the hmm, thing
which i don't think would have happened if it wasn't in it's early stages. So, instead of sending a card to Epic, they talk to them, they talk to Anand, they agree on meeting at Anands and get 2 things done at the same time. Epic can check out the card, Anand gets excited and throws out some "the NV30 rocks" headlines which will make the various msg boards happy and Nvidia gets publicity.Johnny Rotten
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Count me in the camp who thinks its AMD with a Hammer demo.
Let's say it's Nvidia and, as has been mentioned, they might need some publicity right now because of the R300. And they might not have that many cards to send out at the moment. Another thing, they're sending a guy with the hmm, thing
which i don't think would have happened if it wasn't in it's early stages. So, instead of sending a card to Epic, they talk to them, they talk to Anand, they agree on meeting at Anands and get 2 things done at the same time. Epic can check out the card, Anand gets excited and throws out some "the NV30 rocks" headlines which will make the various msg boards happy and Nvidia gets publicity.Exactly. NV30 first spin is back and has fewer issues than expected. R300 intro is imminent and sending a board to Epic really makes no difference at this stage (from a visibility standpoint). However, demo'ing a proto to Anandtech WILL make a big difference. Anand has already publically stated that the R300 rocks at UT2k3 and they want to prove that NV30 can outperform the R300. Because the ASIC/drivers are not ready for developers yet, Epic is excited to come down and check it out as they won't get one in their hands for at least another couple of months.
nVidia desperately needs to throw a monkey wrench into the R300 launch and subtle hints from Anandtech might be one of the things that accomplish that.
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I am sure there will be a "surprise" part from nvidia. But my guess is, given Anandtechs record, that it will outperform the R300 but won't be available for a some time. Just enough to dampen the launch of the R300 so that nvidia steals the limelight while in reality nvidia is far behind in the actual finished product. I expect more of the same from AnandTech not the reverse. But untill the R300 is actually benchmarked against what ever else it is that nvidia has up its sleeve this is all pure speculation. Again a wait and see situation. Till then all we have is this.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,373440,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,373440,00.asp
CMKRNL said:
How would Nvidia even know it outperforms the R300? I'm sure ATi has been keeping a pretty tight leash on the R300 Alpha/Beta boards, so they're not just "lying around". If Nv has one, it probably is an old alpha copy with old alpha drivers. So how would they know it is better?
Maybe they don't know, and they want to go down there to find out. Maybe they can figure they can sneak a peek in at the competition (and how it performs) regardless of the NDA.
I really think it's kind of ridiculous how everyone is just assuming the NV30 is going to be way faster than the R300 just because it's coming out later. They are of the same generation and there's nothing to indicate its relative performance to the R300 in any way. Remember the R8500 was released way after the GF3 and it still wasn't a lot faster. Release date means almost nothing. I expect they'll be almost the same speed, but it just remains to be seen.
By the way, has anyone noticed how ATi is tearing 3rd parties away from Nvidia left and right? If I owned Nvidia stock I'd sell it, and not just because the NV30 is supposedly delayed, losing all those clients has the be hurting them. And, unlike ATi, they don't have their own board manufacturing to fall back on.
Hmm, that's not an argument. Nvidia was using third party and not Ati, means that all the 3rd party was using Nvidia chip, willing to or not.Nagorak said:
Now Ati is doing the same thing, so Nvidia must loose some 3rd party contracts and Ati gain some. Ati is no more willing to product and sell there own cards, so we don't know if the new 3rd party contribute much in the expension or the stabilisation of Ati sells (i would say some increase).
This will be an issue when Ati and Nvidia will use only 3rd parties.Then, when the 3rd parties will change of provider, that will mean something. Till then it's normal.
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Having given this some more thought, and reading some of the comments here...I'm now more inclined to believe NV30 than before.
It's not totally clear (at least to me) if the R300 is going to be launched on the 17th...or if review units are already out to websites. But let's assume that nVidia caught wind of the fact that review units were distributed, or were close to being distributed...The timing of this event is, shall we say, opportunistic.
I can see it now...If we begin to see R300 previews in the near term, Anand tosses in a quote similar to the teaser found in the UT2k performance test..."As you can see, the R300 really does a number against the likes of the Ti4600; however, all is not lost for nVidia. Their next-generation part will also make mince-meat out of this benchmark" (or similar).
Based on the recent influx of NV30 info posted on the net...and you just know that when you begin hearing more and more info, it's almost always a sign (at least with nVidia) that things are ramping up...I think you have to assume that NV30 development isn't nearly as dire as has been speculated. Toss in the recent quotes from their CEO, and I don't get the feeling that things are nearly as bad as some people claimed.
Anyhow, I believe it was NV30....And don't forget, nVidia does have an office located in Raleigh, N.C. Oh yeah, Anand just so happens to be located in Raleigh too
It's not totally clear (at least to me) if the R300 is going to be launched on the 17th...or if review units are already out to websites. But let's assume that nVidia caught wind of the fact that review units were distributed, or were close to being distributed...The timing of this event is, shall we say, opportunistic.
I can see it now...If we begin to see R300 previews in the near term, Anand tosses in a quote similar to the teaser found in the UT2k performance test..."As you can see, the R300 really does a number against the likes of the Ti4600; however, all is not lost for nVidia. Their next-generation part will also make mince-meat out of this benchmark" (or similar).
Based on the recent influx of NV30 info posted on the net...and you just know that when you begin hearing more and more info, it's almost always a sign (at least with nVidia) that things are ramping up...I think you have to assume that NV30 development isn't nearly as dire as has been speculated. Toss in the recent quotes from their CEO, and I don't get the feeling that things are nearly as bad as some people claimed.
Anyhow, I believe it was NV30....And don't forget, nVidia does have an office located in Raleigh, N.C. Oh yeah, Anand just so happens to be located in Raleigh too
There's much more evidence than just the conjecture that "It's coming out later." to support the NV30 being faster than the R300:
1. nVidia's consistently outperformed ATI at every product generation.
2. The NV30 is almost assured to have more transistors.
3. The NV30 is apparently being made on a .13 micron process (vs. the R300's .15 micron).
Granted, numbers two and three aren't known for certain just yet, but nearly all of the semi-reliable information that we have heard to date has supported this.
1. nVidia's consistently outperformed ATI at every product generation.
2. The NV30 is almost assured to have more transistors.
3. The NV30 is apparently being made on a .13 micron process (vs. the R300's .15 micron).
Granted, numbers two and three aren't known for certain just yet, but nearly all of the semi-reliable information that we have heard to date has supported this.
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If you look back at ATIs experience with AnandTech over the last few years I think ATI would have good reason to hold AnandTech suspect over his objectivity. In which case it would make sense to send a man in to make sure that all went well. It could be that ATI has a secret to unviel and that they are untrusting of AnandTech. First I would be suprised if there is a 13 micron NV30 part from nvidia that isn't absolutely packed full is hardware and driver issues. Second there has been little to none in terms of rumors with regards to the part. Thirdly it could very well be another party all together whom we arn't considering.
I suspect that nvidia has something but what it is or when it will actually show up on the market is another issue. It is likely that nvidia will make an effort to spoil ATIs parade but as in the past it usually ends up to be just more HYPE.
I suspect that nvidia has something but what it is or when it will actually show up on the market is another issue. It is likely that nvidia will make an effort to spoil ATIs parade but as in the past it usually ends up to be just more HYPE.